okay lets worst case this

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  1. Hemi31

    Hemi31 [email protected]

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    Careful Markus......the ramps on that cam might make short work of the factory spring.
     
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    markus Silver Supporting Members

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    yeah i was told to baby it home. think ill be alright?
     
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    Hemi31 [email protected]

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    I have no idea.....sorry dude.....not gonna tell you yes or no on this one.You can't get a hold of Josh?I know he has a place he works with down that way........they might have a spring.
     
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    oh? know the name? dealership just called, said spring wont be in till thursday/friday.
     
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    If thats the case have Josh overnight PSI springs to the dealer.....have you called him?1-888-894-1115

    They will be run with the SRT spring damper on them as well.I just talked to HHP they have a set in the office.....call them Markus.
     
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    yeah i did....i was waiting for them to return my call lol
     
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    Hemi31 [email protected]

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    Keep calling.......waiting for a call back may take forever.
     
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    well id like to talk to josh about getting it resolved. called back, hes with a customer.
     
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    NYCSRTATE Maximus Want 2 Go Fastius

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    Mark I waited 3 days for a callback from HHP a while back, keep trying!

    Good news if its only a valve spring.
     
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    Quick Mgmt. - I can't help you

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    Holy crap Markus, that's got the be the absolutely best case scenario... Congrats.

    and next time something like this happens... I know the temptation/urge is there, but don't just try to see if you can run it to see if it will go away. That part about "I tried starting it and it barely idled but if I gave it gas it would run" made me cringe :grin:
     
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    Quick Mgmt. - I can't help you

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    Alright, I'd like to hear a post mortem on this one.

    Busted valve spring: (intake or exhaust?)
    So was it completely busted? or partially busted.
    It wasn't running right so was the valve hanging open or was it just not closing fast enough?
    Obviously it wasn't completely open because it didn't hit the piston at TDC right? There isn't enough clearance for that right? So maybe it was partially open? Or was it just a bit of the spring that was broken so it was weak and still closing the valve before TDC but just not soon enough for compression?

    What cylinder was it? There was a cyl_1 misfire code. Was it cyl 1 or did the cyl 1 plug just foul because of the extra gas.

    The extra gas makes me think it was the exhaust valve. Piston makes the compression stroke and just blows the air/fuel out the open exhaust port. Maybe that's enough unburnt fuel to make it through the cat and peg the rear 02 sensor. If so, what about the front 02 sensor? It would have been pegged rich also. If the front 02 sensor was pegged rich then the PCM fuel adaptives would be adjusting all the way lean. 25% short term + 25% long term would be 50% lean adjustment from the base injector pulse width. That would mean the the other 3 cylinders were running awfully lean right?

    If it was the intake valve hanging open then it probably would have just been pushing one cylinder's worth of air/fuel back into the intake manifold (haha, we finally got a wet manifold). The other 7 cylinders would have gotten a bit of extra fuel but the PCM should have compensated for that ok and it would have been like blowing a head gasket on 1 cylinder. Probably wouldn't have seen the 02 code from the sensor on 1 bank and we would have expected it to idle. rough, but idle.

    Now I'm convinced it was an exhaust valve right?

    What's the prognosis?
     
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    lol ron told me to do it so i knew if i phucked it up worse hed cover the repairs!!!
     
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    ok quick, ill tell you everything i know...which isnt much...im dumb when it comes to this sort of thing. after talking to ron, then cam, then the mechanic, then cam, then the mechanic, then cam, then the mechanic again heres what we've figured out without them actually pulling the cylinder heads off. valve spring was broken (not sure if it was partially broken or completely destroyed, also not sure if it was intake or exhaust, didnt know to ask) however it was still sitting in its happy little place. this by the way was on the #1 cyl. they inflated the cylinder and the only place air came out was where it was supposed to. prognosis, valve spring was the only thing that was muffed up. *forrest gump voice* "thats all i got to say about that"
     
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    Quick Mgmt. - I can't help you

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    dahahaha, Ron. You should have known better. Ron's like Odie on Garfield. Just mash the gas and hang on!
    "It won't idle"
    "Mash the gas and see what happens"
    "It runs if I give it gas"
    "You really don't need idle anyway do you?"
    I'm pretty sure that's how he tuned his first engine (or two) :rofl:


    If they pressurized the cylinder and it didn't leak then the valve was seated. So let's speculate that maybe the spring was broken where it was still providing some force but really weak? Then the cam lobe would open the valve and since the spring was like a slinky it would take way too long to close it (but not long enough for the piston to get up there and hit it)? And I'm sticking with my bet on it being the exhaust valve. I would have expected a code from the front 02 or the PCM when it hit max fuel adjustment if that happened. Where's the link to your post where you listed all the codes?

    (I'm figuring if we keep at it one of those guys won't be able to stand the nonsense speculations and post up with a real explanation :whistle:)
     
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    Cam Management up n smoke

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    OK, OK, OK Dave.......we'll do this in the afternoon. I don't have time for a 20 minute post right now :bigwink:








    /me goes back to his stupid 3.5 sec reply crap. No thinking required.
     
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    bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Holy CRAP Dave, I just pee'd my pants.



    Oh and by the way, F Y...... haha:friends:
     
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    was the missing code P2016?
     
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    1bad4dr Mr. Meany

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    I really hate it when you are right. :p:p:p:p:p:p
     
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    Sorry.......oh yeah.......if that is it then its also the intake valve.