Is there anyway we can just ship all of Berkeley to Venezuela??

DJANGO is exactly right...the military has fought for their freedom to be idiots and also our's to choose otherwise. I would suspect that if Berkley was so be pleaged by rioters or some natural disaster they would welcome the help they would be sent by the military. They forget that the Navy and Marines are more than just heart breakers and life takers....Those Carriers have full hospital capabilities and can air lift supplies or medical help to where ever needed.

 

In order to be a citizen of Berekeley, you must first pledge and sign a disloyalty oath.

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how bout we send one of the 11 million dollar missiles over that way.

 

I tell people all the time to just be glad we live in a country where folks can speak their minds without suppression. Do I agree with their views....hell no....read my avatar. In case you can't it says "You, shut the fuck up, we'll protect America. Keep out our fucking way, liberal pussies".

 

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I wouldn't waste the money on 'em..........:no:

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I am a Marine. I am thinking I need to get some friends together for a road trip. I would Love to have one of those Granola eating Fags try and physically remove me from the city. Kommie Pinko Fuckers :tooth: They have no clue what freedom costs and gutless enough to not serve...I hate those idiots !

 

My issue here while partly that I disagree with the folks who run Berkeley, is that they were playing favorites by giving Code Pink a free parking spot, the only such parking designation in the city, as well as noise permits. Do you think they'd extend the same courtesy to the opposing side? Don't think so.

Basically abusing their positions of power for the sake of expressing their political opinions. So much for freedom of speech or choice.

 

You've arrived at precisely the point of the hypocrisy of lefties.....

They scream for all the liberties that this great land offers, yet they wish to deny these same things to those who oppose them.... They are the worst kinds of hypocrites.... They wouldn't last 5 seconds under true communism.. Perfect communism would afford the exact same portions of everything to everybody.....

Don't misunderstand me..... I ain't no bloody Commie.... I am simply diseminating the facts regarding the beloved Communism that the left seems (so lovingly) to embrace. You cannot eat from your own plate and everyone else's too......

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Not sure that I qualify to be included in your target audience but I am a liberal in a lot of ways. I do believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, but I don't think I qualify on "pussies" side of the ledger.

I don't understand the all the harsh adjectives that seem to be popular when using the word liberal. The concept of our form of government is to have multiple opinions on issues of interest and concern. It just seems that if a person cannot express the advantages of their point of view that they resort to name calling and ad hominem attacks. The dynamic tension that is natural in a society with multiple points of view is healthy. The dialogue and resultant critical thinking is good for everyone.

I wonder if anyone would like to have a country without the opposing side have some influence? I doubt that anyone who spends a little time pondering that situation or reviewing history would say that it is desirable.

It's easy to attach negative labels. It is much more difficult to address the issues based on rational arguments, empirical data, and or well supported emotional appeals.

 

the longest and most prosperous times in human history were made under a monarchy style of government, that may be as far from our current system as possible, but it does show another system that has been proven to work.

my problem with liberals in general is that they have proven they cannot take the initiative in anything. they always talk about what is best, they never go through with it. personally, i appreciate the fact that conservatives do what they say they are going to do. do we really need all the liberals slowing down our government? do we really need liberal judges who sentence the murderers and rapists to 10-20 or life instead of the death penalty? do we really need welfare, unemployment for the lazy, etc? our government as it stands, has no balls, even the most idiotic of citizens in this country know full well how to take advantage of the system.

i will be the first to say that i love the "idea" of our style of government, its just in its current form, all it does is waste tax payers time and money.

the term "liberal pussies" is just that, it is the portion of our society that accomplishes nothing but wants everything.

 

I think I have accomplished a lot and I continue to try. But we would probably disagree on what the definition of "accomplish."

Your post I believe makes my point...lots of volley and thunder, with little in the way of supporting facts or evidence...

I bet we would have a ball with a beer in our hands and a couple of hours to debate!

 

My point exactly...you fellas do the debating and we'll do the dirty work! And yes...it's easy to attach "general" labels when they are "generally" true from "my" perspective. If the shoe fits wear it...if it doesn't, don't. I agree that if we were in person we'd have some good conversation over a beer. I'm not intending to come off as confrontational so please don't take it that way. :beerchug:

 

Bud I love the discussion...and those that know me understand that it is never my intention to change someone's mind...because I love the diversity.

Maybe we will have the chance to verbally joust in person some day.

And thank God, there are still people who are willing to state their opinions and that we have a country in which it is encouraged! :thumb2:

 

You are right in saying negative labels are "EASIER" to attach. Just as walking away pissed off or name calling would be.

The problem I have is using, "RATIONAL ARGUEMENTS, EMPIRICAL DATA and/or SUPPORTED EMOTIONAL APPEALS" won't solve anything!

What is both parties definition of a:

Rational Arguement
Empirical Data
Supported Emotional Appeals

For example I can find the same number of reasons for kids to use seatbelts on a bus as I can for kids to not use seatbelts on a bus. It is all about a persons point of view on a matter. It would be nice if people could listen to one persons thought, then that same person listen to another person's oppposite thought and agree to disagree. The great thing about this country is we have the right to different views, thoughts, and ideas. No matter the reasoning, we all can't be right and we all can't be wrong............................

 

Having varying opinions is a good thing. But there's only one best way to accomplish a goal and/or solve a problem, and too much debate slows down progress. This is especially true when the debate includes a bunch of hypocrit retards that are removed from reality and have no concept of historical relevance in contemporary times... aka: liberals. They live in a eutopia that will never exist outside of their 'educated' yet, oddly enough, ignorant, minds... this is such due to the fact that a disproportionate amount of their eutopia is socialist in nature and in complete contradiction to the founding ideals that made this country great.

When simply conceptual, liberalism is great. When inacted, it is the most dangerous mentality a capitalist democracy can face. It erodes from within under the guise of free speech and face-value equality... and it attempts to take responsibility from the individual and lay it upon the government.

Liberalism is akin to Communism in many facets.

I'll take a more extreme approach to this topic in general:

Liberalism and those who espouse it should be prevented from decision making within our government at any level. They should be part of 'think tanks' where they can debate amongst themselves and conservatives, who will then pass along their ideas to conservative leaders as food for thought. Otherwise, we end up with 1/2 assed-foreign policy that handcuffs our military, social programs where productive citizens pay for the bums, drug addicts and illegal aliens, schools where our children are indoctrinated with values that their parent's may reject, the global warming myth - slop science, American tax dollars going to countries that would kill all of us if given the chance, a mass media that is infected with socialist mouthpiences like a jungle wound... need I go on?!?!

My favorite liberal fuck-stick moves are when billionaire celebrities call for more taxation on the populace to help the needy, yet if they believe as strongly as they proclaim, why don't they live like a middle class citizen and give the rest of their dough to the needy?!?! No... they go out and adopt some kid from the "Turd World" to make themselves feel less guilty for being HYPOCRIT LOSERS!

Or... referring to 'face value equality': we're all supposed to be equal in the minds of all, especially to liberals (or so they claim)... why then do they scream affirmative action? Another liberal concept contrary to our socio-economic system. We should be judged on the content of our character (and intelligence, work ethic, etc) not the color of our skin.

Michael Savage said it right: Liberalism is a mental disorder.

How's that for my typical eloquent way of being?!?!

 

Please refer to post #49. Your comments validate my thoughts. The inability to discuss the issues without name calling and character assignation is sad, and counter productive.

 

well prof, i cant quote you line for line because you included your rebuttal in my quote. i can try to hit on each issue brought forth though.

1) chinese, japanese, roman, italian, spanish, indian, etc all make our 200 and change society here in the US look in its infancy. youre right though on my overlooking the prosperity of the poor.

2) welfare in fact, still exists. what you are referring to is bill clintons changing of what welfare was exactly. he changed it so that it maxed out at 5 years for all welfare types, though many cases (the majority) never stop receiving "aid". california give out coupons for food which is often traded for cash on a 5-1 or higher ratio...5 dollars in coupons for 1 us dollar.

3) judges abide by the liberal guidelines set forth by liberal politicians.

my definition of "accomplish" is the act of finishing a goal you set out to do, to the best of your ability. i have history and the future actions of liberals to prove my claim that they will never accomplish a thing in politics or for this country.

as far as beer and debate goes, im as down as anyone. i love a good debate but on subjects such as this, where so much is on my side...we would have little to run on. :bigwink:

now give me a topic such as abortion or gun rights and we shall have ourselves a debate! ill buy the first couple rounds.

honestly though, its refreshing for someone to come out and actually say theyre liberal. not even liberal politicians call themselves liberals anymore...its like a dirty word these days in politics.

 

Say, is anybody going to watch the Barry Hussein Obama vs. Mrs. Bill Clinton debate tonight on DNCTV?

 

I may have stretched the definition of liberal a little...I am a social liberal, but I am a fiscal conservative...I strongly believe in individual rights, but support majority rule. I am a republican but not very happy with our current administration...I do belive in a woman's right to choose but I think that abortion should be very rare, and I absolutely support the fourth and second amendments, but I really have an issue with children having toy guns, and I think sworn officers should be free to protect themselves and in the process search whatever they think will aid in law enforcement.

So it is really easy to jump on my back, but that is fine...everyone needs a whipping boy.

And yes, it is sad that the name calling and condemnation of liberals has caused many to not comment...a lot is lost when dialogue is stiffled. Everyone learns from an exchange of ideas...even if it just makes people more confident in their positions.

Now about those toy guns...

 

YA, MOMO! You stupid PUCKING PUCKER.....................:beer: