"ACES IV works on a get clean and then keep clean program. Once you have cleaned it out, the ACES IV maintains a vaporous spray pattern. You need this for better volumetric efficiency and thermal conversion to work. On octane, it depends on how you are using your car. If you are just driving it and not getting on it constantly, then yes, 87 would work fine with ACES IV. Where it runs into a problem is when people have a modified car, 93 octane tune, Winter fuel with lower BTU and much higher volatility and then yes, there will be a lot of knock retard. Not because of the ACES IV, but because of the compressability of the fuel and it's limits. You want to use ACES IV every tankful because of the lack of lubricity and the conversion of potential energy to work energy. 1 oz per 6 gallons will be fine on our LX/LC cars. A clean spraying efficiently running engine will use less fuel and go farther per gallon of gasoline. I recommend 87 octane for lower compression engines like a Chevy Suburban or Denali and towing etc. For higher compression motors, 89 is where the bottom should be on octane and ACES IV. " How could I have missed this?
Wow...It's amazing the art of selling snake oil is still around. Use big words, with little to no meaning to the subject matter, and confuse most of the potential buyers into thinking you actually know what you're talking about... I've never heard of this stuff or the company, but not buying it. BTW...the subject of this thread is an oxymoron...
Kyle, log on to the red site...go to BND in the vendor section. Get your Alka Seltzer and barf can ready. I don't care if the guy has a valid product or not...you will crawl out of your skin reading some of the...stuff...posted. People just believe what they want to believe once given the means to do it.
We would include a picture but its ... vaporous. Holy crap. now that that's clear I think I better use two every tankful. "lubricity" -- anyone else think of Bill Murray, Caddy Shack, Mrs. Lubner
Fuck, it took me a few tries to get Dave's quote right myself...I had " words words words [I}" bla bla also...lol
Consider me uneducated in this matter (because I am), could you guys explain why this guy doesn't know what he's talking about?? Thanks.
Actually he probably does know what he's talking about. But he doesn't really say anything. What he's selling is a fuel additive. The idea (or what he is implying) -- I think -- is that you can use his additive to run a lower octane gas, while having the benefits of higher octane gas for less money... AND at the same time make your engine run better by cleaning your fuel system and injectors AND since it is suppose to have lubricating properties make your engine more efficient and last longer by lubricating the cylinders above the oil rings. AND ... I'm sure there's more. I think, in general, there might be some benificial use for octane booster. Like maybe you run out of gas in the middle of the desert and the only station for miles only pumps 82 octane and your stroked and camed engine would probably denotate itself to death before you made it back to civilization. If you had a few cans of octane booster in the trunk you might be able to put that in and idle back to a town. Even if octane booster does work half well it is way more expensive than if you bought the higher octane gas. Haha, of course you need to use his product religiously in order to see the "maximum" benefits. But even one can will give you a noticeable improvement...
Dave did a great job of explaining... To sum it up, that guy is a typical slime bad salesman trying to convince everyone that his product is best, buy using loose lipped words. Also he knows that half the members on that other forum are, for the lack of a better word, clueless (not saying that to be mean) about how cars run and what is good and bad for motors... The guy used the same tactics with his air filter sales pitch last year. lol
At least when you do this to somone across the internet....they don't have to worry about an STD or need any lubication. ..
Thanks, I'm curious because his blended oils did interest me but I'm no expert and most from that site seem to like his stuff.
Most of that site still believes big oil, (or maybe it was the big car manufacturers) stole the 100 mpg gas engine, killed the inventor and everybody who knew him and have the invention hidden at area 51. Sorry, maybe that was a bit harsh... ok, maybe not. I have no idea about his blended oils. And I haven't read any of his claims for his blended oil, but let me guess, he "custom" blends oil especially for our specific motors? And that's why you get significant gains and protection that's significantly better than the Dodge recommended Mobil? ... From his gas additive literature I wouldn't buy anything from him. He is just the sort that would sell you a jet throttle body spacer for your hemi. Just curious, do any of the reputable builders or tuners recommend his stuff?
Okay, somebody got thesaurus happy. I know next to nothing about engines and oil, but his use and abuse of the English langauge is setting off all kinds of alarms. Lubricity is a real word, but its automotive application is like third down the list of definitions after Lewdness and sliminess. Hmm.. Instead of "get clean and keep clean" he could've said "cleaning and maintenance or protection," but I guess that sounds less exciting or innovative. Then there's the physics and fluid & thermal dynamics mumbo jumbo he tosses around. Potential energy conversion? OMG this stuff is amazing! Not.
The big words sound really important and most people aren't likely to have them in their every day vocabulary and they don't want to ask for fear of being seen as dumb. If it sounds technical and you don't understand it then you're prone to assigning some credibility to it. "I don't know what that means but it sounds really technical so I'm going to be more likely to believe it than not... just in case." The other snake oil tactic is the assumed problem... I didn't know my fuel injectors were all clogged up! I guess it's just common knowledge that fuel injectors are all plugged up after a couple thousand miles. And that I could have a significant increase in power, performance, engine life, and operating costs if I spent money on dumping some stuff into the gas. So it starts out with the assumption that there is some big problem that I care about. If the stuff has been around for a long time and there are a lot of people that have been using it for a long time then you're probably not going to do any significant or immediate damage. But if you really want to use additives, use a name brand that has some published science behind it. The main reason everybody is using it on the red site is due to the sheep herd effect. You're on the right track asking about it. Float the question on a few other (more technical forums). See if you can find any science on it in addtion to the butt dyno reports.
Don't waste your time trying to find scientific data to back his claims up, or your money on whatever he is selling.
I hate that guy....I have gotten into it with him on more than one occasion and the people over there are constantly backing him up. Hope they are getting their moneys worth.....lmao.......BTW....Go find the thread where his products cured the Hemi tick.
