Your comments are not based on facts and are both prejudiced and racist. I'm done talking with you as you are clearly uneducated. I will ignore the subsequent posts that will invariably follow my post unless you begin stating some facts to back up your conservative rants.
ditto head? lol, that must come from your side of the tracks....the families that support the poor. ok lets see here: university of california - my degree in business from haas. has made me a bit of money in the last 5 years. microsoft - my mcse has also made me a bunch of money in the last few years. google - my father owns a few shares....it also does quite well. morgan stanley - our inv firm. lets me retire when i hit 45. ibm corp - dont really care, but have family invested. ------------------- it doesnt matter that these companies donated, just like you im not going to shoot you for your beliefs. i just feel sorry for you. haha, you must be from new york or some other place where they cant think practically. i must be a racist if i dislike people on welfare. lol, i work for a community non profit in the bay area numb nuts. i deal with people day in and day out that will work their ass off and pay taxes for a country that considers them "illegal". this happens at the same time another family drives up to our free clinic in a $60k suv and out pops 3 kids dressed better than i am. i laugh at the uneducated....that being you. i can tell you know absolutely nothing about what goes on in this country. let alone what happens in the lower income cities. http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gjVLKZHVU-lCevq34YUHXMBGflCg oprah fundraiser sept 9 2007 - 1500 guests at 2300 a pop. guests included oprah and friends and celebrities such as Will Smith, Sydney Poitier, Cindy Crawford and Halle Berry. Stevie Wonder, an Obama favorite, played for the crowd, the Los Angeles Times reported.
Maverick in action. Kirk Blalock, of the lobbying firm Fierce, Isakowitz & Blalock, leads McCain's young professional group and has raised more than $250,000 for him. Blalock's clients include Sprint Nextel and Viacom. http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/21/america/mccain.php So if I understand all this comtempt it stems from this. McCain the maverick who voted 92% of the time with President Bush, who raised the majority of his funds from lobbying firms, big business, etc. can't seem to win the election. Was it his running mates fault as all his campaign advisors are now leaking to the press? Was it the fact that he called our economy "sound" just prior to the collapse, which was followed by 4 more point losses nearly as bad. Was is that he couldn't remember just how many houses he owned? Was it his last gasp effort to ride the coat tails of Joe the plumber? A man who turned out to in fact not hold a plumber's license, not be a member of the plumber's union and owe's back taxes? I think what we saw was one of the worst campaigns ever run by the GOP. I think you're all upset more that John the Maverick lost than the fact that Obama the Socialist won.
i am upset. i am upset at the fact that so many of you who have no idea just how badly shit can go are so happy that a man with zero exp is now running the most powerful country on the planet. i am upset at the fact that you make fun of a guy for being old when obamas lack of exp is brought up. i am upset at the fact that voting with the president 92% of the time is taken as a big deal and you dont bring up the fact that the rest of congress agreed 90% of the time. obamas claim to fame was the simple fact that he didnt vote for the iraq war....congrats. hindsight is indeed 20/20. do i think mccain is a finacial wizard? lol, no. did i think bush was? nope. do i think obama is? hell to the fucking no. there are no professional economic magicians out there. hell, look at nader... mccain isnt the one with money. his wife is. i dont know how many homes my parents own. or how many my brother or his wife or my little brother and his wife own. how the hell is that a big deal. if i looked back in my records i could also remember the addresses of homes i sold over the past 5 years. big fucking deal. haha, oh joe the plumber. how we put so much faith into someone without a license. lol, this is how i def know you have nothing in common with working people. if i did a poll on how many plumbers, contractors, etc did business without a license would that make you happy? i know 4 guys right off the top of my head that do business for us that arent contracted.....again....big fucking deal. these guys also work paycheck to paycheck unlike maybe you or i. they will owe taxes if they indeed pay them. i will agree with you. barack ran a perfect campaign built on fear of the republicans. the gop ran the worst campaign ever. am i going to freak out and start yelling at my neighbors over this? nope. am i going to hate you for being uninformed and a lemming? nope.
There wouldn't be any way a person like Opra could injest money into PAC, Special Interest Group, or anything else like that......right? All politicians get money from Special Interst Groups and PACs. That, IMHO, a major part of what is wrong with the whole system. Well put.
Oprah's endorsement of Obama was worth far more than $2,300. In the same way that Joe the plumbers endorsement of McCain was far more damaging. Non-licensed, tax-evading, malcontents do not have a very loyal following even among the GOP ranks.
I thinks people are more upset that Obama the Socialist won, rather than McCain loosing. If people that voted for Oboma are ok with Socialism, quite frankly, that scares the hell at of me.
Don't believe what the conservative press is telling you. It's the same group that told you the economy was safe and sound. Remember when the Dow was over 13,000? BTW, it's losing, not loosing.
Thanks for correcting my spelling. I think spell check was a great invention, but I'm very dependent on it. You are the first person I have ever heard call the press conservative. I assume you are referring to the newspapers, and network T.V.?
lol, conservative press? in what twilight zone are you living in? its always the sad, inadequate soul who plays the spelling nazi in a thread they are getting beaten up in.
Alright I think I've finally got it now. You guys don't want someone taking your hard earned dollars and giving it to someone who doesn't deserve it. I mean if an individual makes poor life decisions and finds themselves out of work why would they continue to spend money? Why would or should they expect to have WE the tax payers bail them out? It just doesn't make sense. It would be like a company, let's say Exxon, recording billions of dollars in profits and then asking for more billions in tax reductions while Americans pay more and more for gas and oil. Or a company like, let's say AIG, who spends $500,000 on a junket while accepting $85 Million and then an additional $37.8 Million in taxpayer's money. If you're truly concerned about the "redistribution" of wealth and you're willing to face facts and do your research, you'll find the "redistribution" is already underway. YOU and ME the taxpayers are currently spending $700 Billion dollars to bail out Bush and his cronies on Wall Street. President Elect Obama has to date taken $0 from you the taxpayer. Current President Bush has taken $700 Billion. And get ready, he has until January 19th to take some more. And I can't wait to see who he pardons in his last days.
By the way,I don't know if you have seen this, but I'm curious what your thoughts are about this. House Democrats recently invited Teresa Ghilarducci, a professor at the New School of Social Research, to testify before a subcommittee on her idea to eliminate the preferential tax treatment of the popular retirement plans. In place of 401(k) plans, she would have workers transfer their dough into government-created "guaranteed retirement accounts" for every worker. The government would deposit $600 (inflation indexed) every year into the GRAs. Each worker would also have to save 5 percent of pay into the accounts, to which the government would pay a measly 3 percent return. Rep. Jim McDermott, a Democrat from Washington and chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee's Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, said that since "the savings rate isn't going up for the investment of $80 billion [in 401(k) tax breaks], we have to start to think about whether or not we want to continue to invest that $80 billion for a policy that's not generating what we now say it should."
hahaha, your attempt at innocent innuendo has failed miserably. i have a problem with the parasites, not the down on their luck type. everyone fails at some point in their life, they dont continue failing though or they become something totally different....leeches. these people are the ones that are the root of the problem, them and the enablers....namely your political heroes. omfg, dude did you even take one economy class? "redistribution" has nothing to do with corporate bailouts. its about the working class paying for the deadbeats to be deadbeats. something you fail to wrap your brain around because it would poke serious holes in your sparkling candidate. bush didnt cost me 700 million. congress did. bush just did what had to be done. its nice that you have no idea how our government works though....nice.
If all you're saving for retirement is $15,500 per year in your 401K, I will start praying for you today. The GOP has all but bankrupted Social Security, so if you want to retire you've got to save for yourself. You're the same group of conservatives that will come crying to me for a bailout when you reach retirement. Live within your means people and stop spending like you've got $700 Billion dollars in freebies coming. Are you sure you guys earn enough money to afford being Republicans?
ive been donating to my ira since i was 15. more shares of fedex, costco and ExxonMobil (from standard oil) than you have miles on your car. not to mention homes in california, oregon and arizona, im pretty much set for retirement and will look on to my social security check with amusement. i am the cognitive conservative, i dont rely on anyone but myself.
I can't believe how worked up people are getting over what they fear will happen. Where's the outrage over what's been happening for 8 years? Did anyone not lose money in the stock market? Did anyone not pay $4 for gas just 2 months ago? Did you not lose anyone they loved in Iraq? Did you not watch our President give away $700 Billion dollars? I'm sorry but I can't get excited or worried about what Fox news says may happen, I'm still trying to digest what George Walker Bush has done and is doing.
I don't think I said that all I am saving for retirement is my 401K. However, I will take you up on the offer to fund my 401k. As for bankruptinging Social Security, I believe it was Clinton who seperated the administrieve branch of Social Security and removed the cap on spending of the fund by moveing Social Security into the general fund. I agree that the GOP hasn't helped with all the spending they have been doing. But, Social Security IMO should have been left as a seperate fund with proper spending caps in place. As for the bailouts,I think their were two, one by the Bush administration referred to as the Bush bailout,and one by the Senate, referred to as the Senate bailout. One of the bailouts was rejected by Congress and second bailout plan was passed by the Congress;that would be a Democractically controlled Congress. Do you know which proposed plan finally passed? Either way, no one likes the plan very well, but I haven't seen many come forward with a better one.
I'm not as upset by the bailout as I am by the policies that forced us to require a bailout. Bush called for less governance and Wall Street applauded. The banking industry has run wild while you and I foot the bill. As for Social Security, the moving of the fund is irrelevant, how we will fund it with the current level of payouts is the question. Without a significant overhaul and change to the benefits, you and I will see zero dollars when we retire. In fact I'm counting on getting nothing from the government when I retire even though I'm currently paying in excess of $XX,000 per year in taxes. I'm currently saving as much money as I can using a tax deferred account, my 401K, EE bonds, I bonds and a straight savings account. I bought quite a few I bonds in 2001 that are now collecting a interest rate of 7.91%. Easily the best decision I ever made. This is what I don't understand, if you're truly in the tax bracket that's going to be affected by an Obama Presidency ($250K and up), why are you whining about what you think is going to happen? Usually the guys in this tax bracket are smart enough to know how to move money around and shelter it from higher taxes. I have a feeling that some on here are just conservatives who listen to conservative radio/TV and don't really understand what they're afraid of. I've elected to move my current income down through deferred compesation and lower my income for the next 4 years. My deferred income will earn over 6% and shelter me from the current or impending taxes. I'm also taking on more debt. That's right, more debt. I'm going to refinance my house at 80% LTV and start deducting the interest. So this is where I'm confused. Why don't people just react to what they think is going to happen now and protect their wealth? Could it be that they're living above their means and are guilty of the very things they accuse the Obama voters of?
Your wealth is not protected in anyway now-a-days. Those who think so need to pick up a news paper and get up-to-date with the economy. People rant and rave about the President. President has little say in anything as for decision making. Bills and what not have to go through Congress, Congress is the cause and is backed by the President. Congress is the Yay or Nay and the say so. The President bares the burden. I'm living now, not living the future. I look at surviving now, as I'm living the current.
thanks for the entertaining read folks......... interesting points on both sides, but i will say this, a very high percentage of folks talk without really knowing what they are commenting about........ cvp33, as much as his points are not being well recieved, is not that far off in his comments...........
