AirHammer heat issue?

[StevoSRT]

"Diablotoona from DiabloSport said in his their support thread that I caught up on today that the steel intakes got soooo hot that they caused the PCM to pull timing when they were testing"

so it has been pointed out to me that because the AirHammer is steel that there is a problem with the intake getting too hot...I am ordering one that is powder coated red and has the relocated AIT Sensor...


So I have two questions...

1) Is there any problems with the intake getting too hot

2) If #1 is a problem...will the relocated sensor and powder coat help it out at all?

 

[ChargerGirl]

I've had the stainless steel Airhammer for nearly a year and no issues like those described. This includes an August cross country trip from California to Georgia and back, numerous drag strips and road course track days and trips down to Southern Cal and back. You may want to check out LXforums for detailed info (good or bad) on the Hammer.

 

[LegMaker]

steve - i wonder if this is why people tout the afe and air raid so much......

 

[StevoSRT]

on LXforums I got one reply from someone who drove (like Tam) a long distance and had no issues to the point that it was cool to the touch...so i dont know...im getting it either way :grin:

 

[StevoSRT]

Tam...i got 2 replies on LXforums...the two replies were exactly 100% what you had told me haha...

i shoulda just listened to you the first time and saved myself some trouble! :blink:

 

[1FST4DR]

Im no expert,But they told me the same thing when I was there doing some R&D for Billet Tech..Made the same comment about most metal intakes.Metal is a heat conductor..But I have the airaid wich is a plastic composite material so I didnt see anything first hand.I never posted what they told me trying to avoid a pi$$ing match with other folks...

 

[StevoSRT]

i think the bottom line is...with the exception of the rare occasion...I will probably NEVER notice it if it does in fact occur...

 

[HEMISFEAR]

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Thats the thing with KR some of you guys are a little misunderstood on here. The knock sensors are there to help you when the vehicle is not running under optimum conditions, they will yank some timing out to prevent knock. Where under ideal conditions you will see much less KR and the vehicle will use more spark. It is not a bad thing to have KR, now if it is audible knock then i would say we have issues. But some KR under less than ideal conditions is expected, as some of you see it even does it on your stock tune.
Biggest culprits for KR is the temps, ect and act, i noticed the metal air intakes where more prone to get VERY hot under the hood vs the plastic ones, had one reach temps of 160 deg F while sitting at a red light, now this will produce KR any way you twist or turn it.
The first thing i would do to lessen the KR is add fuel, as these motors likes lots of it during wot conditions.
And not to mention fuel quality itself I can not stress that enough, i would try different stations to see which one responds better.
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[HEMISFEAR]

Sorry, it had to do with KTR....:friends:

 

[1FST4DR]

i think the bottom line is...with the exception of the rare occasion...I will probably NEVER notice it if it does in fact occur...

I think your right,But there are a few that will try to gain every ounce of horsepower out of there ride...I dont think it will hurt anything..Like Tam said no issues..I wouldnt worry about it..

 

[StevoSRT]

hey M...has anyone else seen this besides this guy?...it seems that most people agree that the metal intake will be hotter than a plastic one...but it doesnt seem like many people feel it can get hot enough to cause issue...especially if your not beating on the thing...since the times when i will really be on it will be at Etown...and in between runs the car will be off with the hood up allowing it to cool down...i think it should be good...

what do you guys think?

 

[Hemi31]

It will get hot if it sits on a hot engine with no air going through it.........the only reason the IAT is seeing 160* air sitting at a traffic light is because it is drawing hot air from the engine bay.You would have to be sitting at a traffic light for quite a while to get the engine bay up to those kind of temps,like having a car strapped stationary to a dyno.

 

[HEMISFEAR]

I wouldn't worry about it too much Stevo...I was thinking one thing about his response that may be important..that many others (including me at one point until I tuned it) are/were having issues ridding themselves of KTR....some are resorting to running race gas almost exclusively...(see Curtis CBLoveday at the OC)..others are buying catch cans thinking oil in the intake mani is causing it...and still others have been trying gasoline NOT blended with upto 10% ethanol ..so depending on what kind of KTR you're seeing currently...a metal intake tube may exaccerbate it according to what Diablo's tuner is implying..would you notice it? Doubtful until you log for it. Remember he says, unless you're hearing it, it's not a huge concern because "some" is ok and to be expected even in stock form under 'some' conditions.eg. weather, altitude, bad gas etc...BUT Promotion Tuning said KTR upwards of 5* may not be audible...but it may be too late by then...LOL....sorry, don't mean to scare you...haha...BUT I just want you to know what's being said out there...

To sum what I read on this...depending on the AMT of knock retard a vehicle is seeing with their mods and their tune, a metal intake tune may make it more difficult to get rid of or at the very least, stabilize... EVERYTHING else I've heard about the AirHammer is very positive. All you have to do is talk to Will (NYCSRT8)....I think he had the AFEII (like I do) on his first 300 and then on his new ride bought an AirHammer and according to him was absolutely thrilled with it and noticed a significant difference between the two.

 

[ChargerGirl]

And bear in mind, the entire front fascia of the Charger SRTs are intended to suck in as much air as possible while in motion. The overheating issue is again, when the engine is running hard and the car is stationary. Not something you'll run into often, unless of course you live on a dyno in an enclosed space with no ventilation or fans to simulate actual "in-motion" situations.

Also, you've gotten more responses over at LX from slightly more knowledge-able types.

I wouldn't want you to buy something simply based upon my opinion, considering I don't really get under the hood much and I'm not the gearhead that a lot of these guys are. The reason I chose the airhammer was that I attended the test dynos last year where they compared it with other intakes and saw for myself the difference and that many of the people who I respect and admire for their insight and opinions were touting them. The only people I've seen saying anything bad about them were either selling something else or just don't like small-timers like the Reverend. I wasn't dissuaded in either case.

Like I tell anyone who comes to me of all people to ask about a mod, do some window shopping, ask around and make sure for yourself before you commit to any mod. Ultimately you pay for it and you get to deal with the outcome.

Okay, done soapboxing, where's a sofa! :happy:

 

[StevoSRT]

I wouldn't worry about it too much Stevo...I was thinking one thing about his response that may be important..that many others (including me at one point until I tuned it) are/were having issues ridding themselves of KTR....some are resorting to running race gas almost exclusively...(see Curtis CBLoveday at the OC)..others are buying catch cans thinking oil in the intake mani is causing it...and still others have been trying gasoline NOT blended with upto 10% ethanol ..so depending on what kind of KTR you're seeing currently...a metal intake tube may exaccerbate it according to what Diablo's tuner is implying..would you notice it? Doubtful until you log for it. Remember he says, unless you're hearing it, it's not a huge concern because "some" is ok and to be expected even in stock form under 'some' conditions.eg. weather, altitude, bad gas etc...BUT Promotion Tuning said KTR upwards of 5* may not be audible...but it may be too late by then...LOL....sorry, don't mean to scare you...haha...BUT I just want you to know what's being said out there...

To sum what I read on this...depending on the AMT of knock retard a vehicle is seeing with their mods and their tune, a metal intake tune may make it more difficult to get rid of or at the very least, stabilize... EVERYTHING else I've heard about the AirHammer is very positive. All you have to do is talk to Will (NYCSRT8)....I think he had the AFEII (like I do) on his first 300 and then on his new ride bought an AirHammer and according to him was absolutely thrilled with it and noticed a significant difference between the two.

yeah i saw Will's hammer back in October...he seems to enjoy it...

since everyone who has it loves it...i decided to get one...

again...i seriously doubt i'll notice anything...for the most part, due to the amount of police that are around here, i drive very tame when im not on the track...

 

[StevoSRT]

And bear in mind, the entire front fascia of the Charger SRTs are intended to suck in as much air as possible while in motion. The overheating issue is again, when the engine is running hard and the car is stationary. Not something you'll run into often, unless of course you live on a dyno in an enclosed space with no ventilation or fans to simulate actual "in-motion" situations.

Also, you've gotten more responses over at LX from slightly more knowledge-able types.

I wouldn't want you to buy something simply based upon my opinion, considering I don't really get under the hood much and I'm not the gearhead that a lot of these guys are. The reason I chose the airhammer was that I attended the test dynos last year where they compared it with other intakes and saw for myself the difference and that many of the people who I respect and admire for their insight and opinions were touting them. The only people I've seen saying anything bad about them were either selling something else or just don't like small-timers like the Reverend. I wasn't dissuaded in either case.

Like I tell anyone who comes to me of all people to ask about a mod, do some window shopping, ask around and make sure for yourself before you commit to any mod. Ultimately you pay for it and you get to deal with the outcome.

Okay, done soapboxing, where's a sofa! :happy:

haha dont worry tam...i looked at just about all of them...thats why it has taken me so long to decide!

 

[fullofit_]

with the smoothe and ridgeless desigh of the inside of the airhammer I find it hard to see how it could actually have the opportunity to exchange much if any heat. With the cfm's that are running through the intake I doubt that the opportunity to heat would be very great at all. I have wondered for quite some time if the sensor it's self could be absorbing heat from contact exchange, this would be easy to note with the proper testing equipment.

just my .02

I do not own any hammer products, he has however been a true friend of mine for the last year.

all the best,
now drive on
full

 

[TALON]

I've only had my Hammer for three months, and I feel it's the best CAI I've ever owned, and I've owned a lot of them.

Ken

 

[StevoSRT]

with the smoothe and ridgeless desigh of the inside of the airhammer I find it hard to see how it could actually have the opportunity to exchange much if any heat. With the cfm's that are running through the intake I doubt that the opportunity to heat would be very great at all. I have wondered for quite some time if the sensor it's self could be absorbing heat from contact exchange, this would be easy to note with the proper testing equipment.

just my .02

I do not own any hammer products, he has however been a true friend of mine for the last year.

all the best,
now drive on
full

veeeeeeeery interesting thought you got there....

 

[HEMISFEAR]

The sensor retaining some of the heat from the metal is the only thing that makes sense if, say for example, you're waiting in the staging lanes at the track...hence the relocation of the sensor....I can't see what else Diablo's tuner Johan would mean...since airflow zipping through the intake would have cool air pumping in....it's the sitting and waiting thing....at lights and then zoom, in staging lanes....zoom. Regardless, I think you'll be happy with it.