Nice buildup John/Nathan. Can't wait to see how she goes. Question regarding the fuel cell though (nice install by the way) but any reason for going the fuel cell over using existing OEM tank and external pump(s). Any way best of luck with it and can't wait to see the final result.
That is an easy one to answer. The stock tanks are even with the bottom of the car so any connector on the bottom of the tank has the high probability of being sheared off on the street by various and numerous objects. Also, you cannot sump the pickup on the stock tank so the fuel is sloshing around an possibly uncovering the suction line if the tank if used anywhere near empty. (I got stranded on the return lane of the track becasue the fuel pump lost suction, embarrassing and a long walk). A completly different tank like MM did for Nathan is the absolute best way to guarantee fuel system reliability for a build like Nathans. There is a good point that I forgot to raise earlier for John over there however. Are you using a race pump only or do you have a more streetable pump to use off the track? The race pump drives me nuts in 22 seconds flat if my exhaust isn't drowning it out. I use the factory pump and only turn on the race pump when I expect to do metal to the metal runs. I know that you have said the aeromotive is quiet, but it is quiet for a race pump, you can still hear it and it still whines. A factory pump is silent, hint hint. Which F-1,--------- just F1 or F1-A or F1-R or F-1C. and as usual Nathan you won't be alone for long. See you at Atco if you make it.
I have to disagree with most of what you have said. But first of all I totally agree with what you said about plumbing the tank in the way you mention. It is dangerous and could be subject to damage. However, the OEM tank can be used as mine has been done and my setup has not drilled in any lines or taps to the OEM tank (anywhere). You can run and uterlise the factory mounting hardware as has been done on mine and the best part is has been made into a return system running much larger feed lines. Secondly the OEM tank is perfectly suited for driving with the pickups in the right places. Thirdly with any high performance setup you would be better/safer to run an external surge tank(s) to combat any possibility of loss of suction. And last but not least you are tapping into the existing fuel system and electrical meaning everything works as it would from factory. IMO there is definitely nothing wrong with the way Nathan's is setup up, it looks awesome and will work extremely well, no question about it, but a system done right like mine, will also work just as well.
Actually there was much debate in the shop as to which way to go with the fuel system. We made the call to go with the fuel cell to simplify the set-up I know we could have run external pumps to boost pressure and ran the stock pump to feed a surge tank or we could have done 2 in tank pumps but to be completely honest with everyone the method we went with guarantee's we wont run out of fuel and it's a proven system that we don't have to experiment to make sure it works properly. Do I think there are other ways to deliver fuel with this system so that we could have had the stock tank function as intended yeah probably but we still would have needed a place to at least 10 gallons of Meth. So this works for this design and it gives us meth storage at the same time. Lastly show me another car that is the caliber of Nathan's build that actually runs and can be used to compare this build to. There is no other F1-A equiped LX's period and there is no way of know exactly how much power this car will make (I bet at least 1,000 flywheel HP) Heck did anyone think we could get 14 psi to work on a 392? I got it to work and made almost 700 RWHP so lets let this serve as a base for the next F1 equiped LX.
Yea I need to clean my keyboard now thanks John. Can you Pm me pricing on that intercooler? O yea I also know some one that is building a 4XXci plus a f1 and a direct port system if he keeps it.So your going to have some comp very soon.
It is just the stock intercooler that comes with the Procharger kit....I can't imaging using NOS on top of this combo.
There is a good Base tune in it yes and it will see the dyno today. Bu tthat has nothing to do with what I was saying. My point was there is no Other F1 Pro-Charged car to use as a comparison to say this will or will not make the power we are looking for.
Can you explain in greater detail what you have done on your fuel system. What you have changed, how you made use of larger lines, etc. My builder and I just couldn't figure out a set of parts that would guarantee the car functions as stock and not look like butchery on the factory baskets. Assuming this is John, Unless I am reading something wrong into this, why are you coming off defensively with my question of which model procharger you are using. I didn't say anything was wrong with it, I wanted to know because I am putting in an F-1C and I wanted to see if your bracket system would help my install go any easier. Then I only hinted that you wouldn't be the only F-series charger for long since I hope to have mine done by atco meet Nov 10th.
Chad and Daniel, please take the fuel system discussion to a new thread. This way it does not take this build thread completely off topic. Thanks. And yes, there are many of us who would love to discuss upgraded fuel systems. Chad, I do not think John was being defensive, rather just explaining which type of head unit is being used and giving the basics on the tune.
Chad I was referencing the build as a whole not responding to your post in perticular. Yes the Main Bracket I use would fit your set-up
I'm sorry I went home sick yesterday and the cage didn't get finished so it didn't see the dyno it should be done today But alas I am still sick as a dog so I will do my best to make the masses happy as soon as I can.
Tell CAM I love him too, and wouldn't it suck if I was just making you all wait even though the car is done.
