Being a Seal is more manly then any marine on the planet...IMHO....Glad your on our side, Rick:clap: Being stationed on NASNI, and only being a stones throw away from the BUD/S training area...I have seen what these guys go through firsthand. Any show you've seen on TV documenting the Seal training doesn't even come close to the real thing.
Seals do what Marines have done for their entire history...They were trained by ? Navy boot camp has who instructing ? Rest my case :band: Next.........:blowup: LOL
Umm do not think so........... With out getting into a whole history debate here... SEALs are direct descendants of the UDTs, UDTs were fathered by the Scouts and Raiders, who were the OSS prior to that. If the Marines had been doing what those guys were doing there would be no need for what has become Naval Special Warfare. NO disrespect to the Corps!!!! However Apples and Oranges here. Navy Boot camp is lead by some of the finest Sailors the navy has to offer. I think you are thinking of the now defunct OCS, which had Marine DSs. Besides Master was referring to BUD/S not boot camp. Which by the way Marine FR guys can and some do attend even fewer finish.
Sorry I am Recon guy and can debate this till the cows come home with no resolution on either side...LMAO My Dad was UDT and was one of the first Seals...I speak from a place of knowledge sorta :shifty: I am and always have been a Warrior...Much respect to the Seals either way Bro :chair:But you guys Bar fight like pussies :surprise:
It's all good man that is what makes this so fun. :moon: BTW: I am not a SEAL. But I do have Mad respect for any of our elete forces. Even the FR guys :harhar:
holy crap curtis, i did not realize loveday was your last name....... no wonder you are such a big phuker....... probably got your ass kicked non stop in grade school, so now you are making up for things!!!!!!!! hehehehehehehe
my screen name.......... umm lets see........ legmaker - i make prosthetic legs....... pretty easy one!!! hahahahaha have had it for years on everything from forum boards to license plates!!!!
Before there were Navy SEALs or Underwater Demolition Teams (UDT) or Naval Combat Demolition Units (NCDU), there were Scouts and Raiders. Formed as a joint Army-Navy beach recon unit eight months after Pearl Harbor, the first S & R boat crews underwent intense training at Amphibious Training Base (ATB) Little Creek in Virginia before deploying to North Africa where they earned eight Navy Crosses. This was just the first of many war-time missions for the versatile Scouts and Raiders. In January 1943 the Scouts and Raiders School moved to Fort Pierce, Florida. Until December of 1943 when the school became all-Navy, the instructor cadre and the trainees were both Army and Navy men. The training course included running, swimming, obstacle course, log PT, hand-to-hand combat, and classes in Signaling, Radio, Gunnery, etc. According to John "Barry" Dwyer in his comprehensive book SCOUTS AND RAIDERS, "When LT Draper Kauffman was sent to Ft. Pierce in July 1943 to form the first NCDUs, he adopted and condensed the S & R PT course in what his men called "Hell Week", which evolved into the physically and pyschologically demanding ordeal known as BUD/S, Basic Underwater Demolition / SEAL Training, which must be survived by anyone wishing to become a Navy SEAL." The first ten volunteers for S & R were big, athletic men from the Navy's Physical Training Program headed up by Commander Gene Tunney. Among them was Phil H. Bucklew who would earn two Navy Crosses and go on to become the recognized 'father of U S Naval Special Warfare'. Another S & R veteran, Richard Lyon, would become Rear Admiral and the first designated Special Warfare Officer to attain flag rank. Today Admiral Lyon is mayor of Oceanside, California. By the time World War Two ended in September 1945, over 1200 men trained and operated as Scouts and Raiders. After the war they were disbanded with some of the men joining UDT. SEAL Team TWO veteran Rudy Boesch, who went on to become the longest-serving enlisted man in the Navy at over 45 years, and the longest serving SEAL, retiring as a Master Chief Boatswain's Mate, began his career as a member of Amphibious Roger #5, the last Scouts and Raiders training class. The men who were Scouts and Raiders were well educated (Class 8 was made up of 52 Ensigns!), exceptionally athletic, adventuresome trailblazers. Some gave their lives to the war effort; others have succumbed to life's natural conclusion. And yes I do sometimes wear pants made of silly string.
^^^guess i got told. you learn something new every day. the marine raiders had a similar job description as well. The Marine Raiders were elite units established by the United States Marine Corps during World War II to conduct amphibious light infantry warfare, particularly in landing in rubber boats and operating behind the lines. This elite unit was considered by the Marine Corps to be its first US Special Operations force. However most combat operations saw the Raiders employed as regular infantry, and combined with the resentment within the Marines that the Raiders were an "elite force within an elite force", led to the abandonment of the experiment. Four battalions served operationally but all were disbanded in February 1944 when the Corps made the doctrinal decision that standard Marine infantry battalions would be trained to perform their missions. The personnel from the Raider battalions were then used to reform the 4th Marine Regiment, which had been lost in the Philippines early in the war. sadly, the corps in all its infinite wisdom and hard headedness disbanded these killers because they got butt hurt over having them. wah wah waaaaaah p.s.- wear those pants tonight, i like the way they smell.
Django Reinhardt 1910-1953 My favorite musician.....my favorite music..:clap: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebaYm65RC5Q[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEzsPGHsi90&feature=related[/media] D
my buddy went to do some seal training for his marine force recon squad. told me it was the hardest thing hes done in his life.
