I too got "SCREWED" by TECHCO, and CTP will come to the rescue...

Well she's had two heat cycles, a flush, a refill, another heat cycle and that seems to have done the trick.


So I guess we'll see in the morning if the yokes on you or me James. :sweat: :grin:

 

Thank you Cam. I just sent you an e-mail. I surely hope that it is no longer leaking. IF the fluid in the intercooler reservoir keeps falling below the full line, it has to be going somewhere. The true test is when I get my car redynoed tomorrow. I will take you up on your offer for to take your pressure tester. Please speak with Doug Stalter, so that he knows how to use it, and how much pressure it should hold.

As you may understand, I only want to pick up the car when you are 100% certain that the leak is gone and fixed. I hope that you understand my preoccupation and anxiety, as I no longer wish to deal with issues due to the TECHCO supercharger, as this ordeal has been ongoing since June, not to mention the distance between us.

Thank you.

 

I once new a woman like that!!! Oh yea same thing, a refill, another heat cycle, and that would do the trick!!

 

ROFL!

Does sound like my wife :bigwink:

 

Well guys, here is the latest update. I picked up the car from Cam's shop this past Friday. After 2.400 miles (two cars up and down from Cam's shop twice), missed work for my wife and myself, and obviously funds to compensate Cam for his time, we might be back at square one.

I drove the car from Cam's shop in Riverside to Reseda (about 80 miles) to get my tune checked out and verified. When I got there, we realized that the filler neck was bone dry. I had my tuner call Cam and speak with him. As I understood it from my tuner, Cam does not have an e-vac to completely remove the air pockets from the intercooler system, as he had drained it and refilled with some sealant type of substance. We ran the car on the dyno, and ended up having to add around 10 onces of coolant, until it appeared that the system had burped itself.

I have checked the resevour level now for two mornings since picking it up from Cam's shop and after driving the car for those two days, and the level in the filler neck continues to drain, just as before, and just like the pictures that I had sent to Cam, before bringing the car to his shop.

This is what is puzzling me and confusing me. When I spoke to Cam about this issue, after he saw the pictures, he said that if the system was not holding at the same exact level, it had to be leaking somewhere, plain and simple, no if's and but's.

After picking the car up from Cam's shop, he subsequnetly tells me that it is normal for the system to set itself overnight, and that it might need that air space to pressurize, and that if each time that I check it, I add the same amount of fluid, it is not leaking. Cam I need to know what so suddenly caused your change in opinion?

What does not make sense to me is the following. Say that I drive the car ten times, and check the level each subsequent morning, and have to add around 1 ounce of coolant each time, for a total of 10 ounces over 10 days. Wouldn't eventually the system be at the full level? In short where would the 10 additional ounces of coolant be going? It has to be leaking somehwere after a certain point of refills, correct? What if I drove the car for 30 days, and added one ouce of fluid each morning, for a total of 30 ounces of additional fluid over 30 days, and each morning experience the same drop in fluid? It has to be going somewhere, or eventually be full, IF it was not leaking, as I have filled it up in the morning numerous times.

Cam, mentioned to me that the blower was not removed from the car, nor opened up to check the washers or internals, such as the issue with Chuck's car (HEMI911). Cam also mentioned a couple of posts ago, that the blower itself was isolated from the remainder of the system to check if the blower itself was leaking, which Cam said it was not after pressurizing it at 22 PSI. I have been asked by a Chevy Technician at a local dealership, how was the blower pressurized by itself apart from the entire system, without removing the blower? ANd I could not answer, so I will need Cam to answer that.

Cam mentioned that I will need to have my system flushed and refilled. I will see if that can be completed either by Whipple here locally, or I now have to find some place that knows how to do this, as there are really none locally.

I will still need Cam's asistance remotely from here as the saga continues. I will work locally to try and iron this out, and to flush and drain the intercooler system, as no one has done that here locally.

I would like to thank everyone here at the SRT Connection for your support and contiued assistance. If you have any other ideas, please post or PM me. Thanks

 

What happens if you full up the reservoir, drive the car, and the next morning you notice the filler neck is empty BUT DO NOT ADD any additional coolant to make up the amount in the filler neck? When you drive the car and then get up the next day has the reservoir drained down even more or is it still at the first morning's level?

 

I'll get back to this tomorrow when I have time. But this is total BS James.

What James is failing to say is that I informed him to run this untouched for 500 miles. Measure the amount it took to fill it back up and then do that again. This system will find it's own level. There is no room for expansion. More tomorrow.

How damn hard was it to follow the instructions James. Even your tuner agreed with my recommendation.

 

Jees James, you certainly DON'T follow instructions very well, do you?

I know that Cam instructed you to NOT touch the resevoir for 500 miles, then look and measure, then drive another 500 miles and re measure.

What's up with that? Not very fair of you to start flaming on someone when YOU yourself have NOT followed instructions. WOW!!!

Good luck in the future...

 

Ron and Cam, I am by no means flaming anyone. I know that you are both very close friends and will stick to each other no matter who is right or wrong. I have nothing to hide or lie about, as that is not part of my character, and I would have nothing to gain from that anyway. Cam , when I spoke to you on the cell phone (after arriving at my tuner's shop), before passing the phone to my tuner, you mentioned that I could fill the reservoir, because it was totally empty after only 80 miles. My tuner also agreed after speaking with you on the phone. There were air pockets in the system, right after I picked up the car. The pockets probably started to work themselves out during the 80-mile drive and during the dyno session. All in all we had to add 10 ounces or so, when the air pockets worked themselves out, in order to get the system back at level. The tuner and I did not want the car heat soaking on the dyno, and wanted to ensure that the air pockets were out. 10 ounces of fluid could definitely make a difference on how that system cools down the intake charge. This was all done on Friday.

Cam, since arriving home late on Friday night, I HAVE been following your instructions, which is to check the amount of fluid lost in the morning, after driving my car on the previous day. I checked the fluid on Saturday morning and on Sunday morning, with the same results on both days, and I added about 1 ounce of fluid on Saturday morning and another ouce or so today. I have driven the car today, and will check it again tomorrow. I am doing exactly as instructed. I do not daily drive my car, so you mentioned to consistently check it at the same consistent intervals. Basically, the same results as before I brought the car to you, and per the pictures that I had e-mailed you.

Cam did tell me after about 1.000 miles to drain, flush, and refill the intercooler system. I have been polite and courteous here and with everyone, so there is no need for anyone to become defensive. ALL that I am asking is for my issues to be resolved as originally agreed upon. I am not asking for anything else at all. All that I wanted and still want was to pick up my car ready to go with the issue resolved and not have to worry about it or continue to perform other tests and work on the car on my own or yet at additional shops, as the whole purpose was to have this resolved from the get go at Cam's shop. I offered to leave my car there for more time, whatever was needed, as I also mentioned in previous posts, for the car to be 100%.

 

I think what he wanted you to do was this (haha, speaking for Cam...)

You know that if you drive it for a day you add 1 ounce.
Try driving it for 3 or 4 days. THEN check and add. (do this cycle a couple of times).
Try driving it for a full tank of gas. THEN check and add (do this cycle a couple of times).
Try driving it for 500 miles. THEN check and add (do this a cycle a couple of times).

I think the expectation is that the system is seeking a level. If you fill over that level it's just going to get rid of it. When it gets to that level it will pretty much stay there (not leaking). Kind of like overfilling on oil.

 

Yes, I have noticed variations, and mentioned to Cam that when driving the car harder (multiple WOT runs), it will consume more fluid.

Thank you. I have done that in the past (when I started suspecting of a leak), before checking it daily in the morning. The levels did vary somewhat.

 

Ouch... lol

 

What I am trying to say is are you consuming fluid past a certain point, or is it finally stopping at a certain (but reasonavble) level? Lets say it consumes "10" o.z. and never anymore, then maybe "10"o.z. shy is where the level is supposed to be. Stop filling it and start driving it...check the fluid but dont add, keep a steady eye on it and if it stops somewhere reasonable, let it be....If it keeps going then stop and put some fluid in it, just rule that out first........

You know?

 

Brad, I do not know, but I took it to Cam's shop for these exact reasons (for him to perform the necessary tests), which was to get all of these answers and issues resolved. I had conducted some tests on my own, but when I started speaking with Cam, and sent him pictures of the filler neck via e-mail, he did tell me that if the system was not always at the full level, there was a leak somewhere for sure, so he advised me not to drive the car, and we scheduled the appointment to bring it in to his shop. Please put yourself in my shoes. At first I was told that there was a leak for sure. Then I was told there was no leak. Then I was told the system did drop fluid level in the morning, and it could be the high pressure seal that goes between the screws and the gears. So Cam injected some sealer in the system, in the event that there is a leak, but this still does not tell us where a leak could be coming from and fix the issue at hand. So in summary, the whole process raised more questions than answers, and I am still back in the same situation as I originally started with. How would you feel in you were in my shoes? I expected to get my car back with nothing else for me to do to it in my end, as for this very reason it as taken to CTP in the first place, so I should not have to perform no tests in my end, having to find a place to flush and refill the intercooler system, etc...

 

I can understand your frustration, but its hard to fix something that doesn't appear broken. If you wanted Cam to just throw parts at it, I'm sure he could have.

The bottom line is that if your system is leaking, where is the water going? Are there any puddles? Are any of the lines wet? Any signs of spray in the engine bay? Do you see any vapor when its hot? Are you blowing white smoke out of the pipes?

There are plenty of things you could be seeing that aren't tragic.

 

Well, I was told if there are no leaks externally, it has to be leaking internally and the fluid burnt during the combustion process, such as was occuring with HEMI911's car.

 

James, let me get this straight with you, please. You CAN NOT compare your LSx motor and blower to a Hemi motor and blower. Two "Different" animals, so please stop trying to compare the two.

Now, back to your issue and statements. Cam was diagnosing (back in the beginning before he had your car) your dilemma via your explanation and pictures.

Now Cam had possession of your car, and "Told" you he does "NOT" drive customers cars and that he would do his best to reproduce the issue. After many hours, the car finally showed signs of the issue. With MORE countless hours on your car, Cam could not find the reasons "WHY" this was happening. Because of this, Cam gave you explicit instructions on what to do, when to do it, and how to do it. Thus far, you have "Failed" to do so, yet are still complaining.

Please, do yourself, Cam, and the rest of this forum a favor, DO AS CAM ASKED. It will only better your situation and assist in where to go next in resolving this issue if needs be?

Yes, Cam was stumped. It happens. Help Cam, help you in completing the tasks Cam has asked you to do. Oh well that you still have to do some testing. We have ALL gone through this once in our life times... God knows I have many times in just the past several months. Hell, at least you are only seeing a water drop by an ounce or two. I was consuming 4 - 5 quarts of oil in 900 miles. And yes, my issue has been resolved (thanks in large part to Cam and other forum members), but was the direct result of Techco's lack of Quality Control.

 

Hi Ron, I know our motors are different, but the supercharger unit and hardware is basically the same. I have followed the directions, except that even when I spoke with Cam on the phone, he gave me persmission to add fluid during the dyno session, and we later found out that there were air pockets in there, as the system took around 10 ounces of fluid to level off. Even since arriving on Friday, I have performed the tests that Cam told me to in the morning. He told me to monitor how much fluid I add to the system each time, which I have done for the past couple of days. The car has already been driven around 600 miles since picking it up from Cam's shop, but preety soon the system will need to be flushed and refilled. In retrospect, it would have been alot less costly and time consuming for me to have been advised to perform the tests before brining the car in.

 

James, you're not getting it. Cam had absolutely no idea he was going to need you to do the current testing, so please, STOP complaining about.

Furthermore, Cam instructed you to NOT fill with water, rather drive it for 500 miles, check the level, then drive another 500 miles. Once this was achieved, then you were to check the level AGAIN to see if the level was the same or less!!! Thus far, you have NOT done this. You have gone on your own to fill it up every 10 minutes. How is this helping? It's NOT!!!!!

 

Ron, as I previously mentioned, when I arrived at my tuner's shop, we found out that there was air in the system. I called Cam, and he gave me permission to add fluid to get it to the full level, and it took around 10 ounces to do so throughout the dyno sessions. Cam also spoke to my tuner about this. I do not drive my car that much, and it could possibly take months to accrue 1.000 miles. I put very few miles on this car. I discussed checking the system in the morning with Cam, after driving the car the previous day. He mentioned that would be fine, and to keep track of how much fluid I have to add each time. I will work with my dealership, Whipple, and Cam remotely to get these issues resolved.

Ron, I have not filled the reservoir every ten minutes, except with Cam's permission when the car was being tuned, as the system was burping itself, but did not add more after it leveled off. I drove the car for 300 miles (after leaving my tuner's shop), and checked the fluid the next morning). It was below the full line, so I added fluild. I drover the car for most of the day on Saturday, let it sit overnight, and check today, same scenario. I have been driving the car today, and will do so tonight, and will check it again the following morning.