E1 turbo. (I know its not a big turbo)

You did notice I said untuned, right? I should also point out I as only boosting around 20 psi and the dyno chart was showing a slipping clutch (it was stock)

On 91 pump at 17-18 psi, it was just a hair over 280.

 

gotcha, I would like to hit 300whp+ on 91 octane.

Could happen with tune?

Really leaning towards a ported stock turbo and porter/ceramic coated exhaust manifold.

Heres the E1 exhaust manifold:
http://www.forwardmotioninc.com/html/catalog/page20.html
$850 without a core. And then I get $150 for the core when I ship it to them So $700 for that
$850 for the E1 turbo then I get a core charge of $200 for my stocker. So $650 for that. $1700 is what I will be forking out. $1350 after I get my core money back from my stocker. Damn thats pricey as hell when its all written down.

Used route is the way to go with the exhaust manifold it looks like. Couldn't find the PTP one you have forsale Jeff.

Not sure about a used ported stock turbo though.

OH just found this...

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f250/realtune-stock-turbo-race-exhaust-manifold-310580/

Price for the race manifold is $580 shipped back with a $70 core.

Turbonetics Evo gates are $289.

So $510 and I would then have to get a Turbonetics Evo WGA... I have a local that has one for $180.

 

He actually doesn't offer the manifold I have anymore. This is the closest thing to it:

http://www.pt-performance.com/showP...&pID=121&sID=e3c1b136f195f00fd828c644248cd9e8

Mine has been ported out everywhere and ceramic coated inside and out. Basically between his 'economy' and the 'intimidator'. I have all the machine work and porting of the intimidator, but without the bigger 90* elbow.

But yes, 300+ is possible on a big wheel stocker on pump with a good tune and proper supporting mods (intake, exhaust, fuel, etc.)

 

So yours has a place for the external WGA?

I also have a chance to grab a Stage 3 turbo/manifold with AGP Stage 3 WGA for $950.00....

 

No, mine does not use an external WG. Appearance wise, it looks stock....well....darker because of the ceramic coating, but stock.

 

IMO I wouldn't go with all those fancy manifolds and all that, because at that point I would just upgrade turbos for the money I am spending. I would just keep a simple ported mani. I have numerous pm's saved on the other forum that might help you make your decision if you would like to see them. Coming from respectable people who have tested the turbos (all bs and sales pitches aside) as well as many respectable owners who have had all these combos with the big wheel and ext gated mani and all that too, and they helped me because I was confused beyond all belief about what I wanted to do.

I like my "e1" it's a nice street turbo and it helps me with what I need to do on the track. I don't drag race so it's different for you, if you do, but If I did drag race and could do it over again, I would get the s3 and work with that honestly.

 

Actually to my knowledge PTP doesnt work with ETS anymore. He is now working [or trying to] with Blouch[who does FMs work]. Which I find HILAROUS with all the shit talking PTP did against them.


I laughed my arse off when I heard the story of what went down.

Your best bet is the E1 hands down.

Good reliability, decent price, and will make good power.


We do sell the E turbos along with all the S3 upgrades as well.


We do not make the manifolds right now but there seems to be some interest. I might end up making a batch before spring. Ill keep you all updated

 

Didn't know that! That's funny.

Thanks for letting me know.

The manifold you speak of is the race manifold correct for the stock turbo? I was looking into it way back when. Awesome manifold!

 

Yep thats what I was talking about.

Thanks! I just wish they werent such a pain in my arse to make :cold:

 

Well....

I am going with a Stage 3 complete kit with toys! Probably get the exhaust mani ceramic coated...

Was on the FS section on SRTforums. Really nice knowledgeable guy. Going to make the drive up to Kalamazoo MI all the way from KCK! Should be fun though. Hitting up Chicago on the way back.

Heres the thread:
http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f27/mopar-stage-3-toys-complete-kit-tial-wheel-486893/
Paying $1800. Then getting the new Iconel turbine installed and the turbo balanced. www.blouchturbo.com

Let me know what you think!

You think I will hit 300whp with this setup? Hahaha

 

If you don't get 300, you screwed up!

Congrats.

 

That is a steal for that price! Nice find!

S3 kits w/toys and complete go for a lot more then that so like I said, nice find!

You won't be disappointed with the s3 setup!

 

Getting it totally rebuilt with a new Iconel wheel and balanced for $300 via www.ffperformance.com (Out of Minnesota) Check out his work...Looks great. He also owns a SRT-4 so thats a plus. =)

He also offers port and ceramic coating.

$90 to ceramic coat the EM, compressor cover and 02 housing. Inside and out.

$395 to port the EM & compressor cover.

See good gains from doing this? I know ceramic coating will drastically lower temps thus create more power.. I am for sure going to do the ceramic coating. Might not even have to run the heatshields. Wonder how much power I will get out of that?

Not sure if I should spend the extra $400 to have it ported if I am not going to net that much more power.

Ideas or advice? He also offers a 47lb wheel upgrade for thats out of my price range and probably too much power. lol

Not sure about the porting...

 

The porting will definitely get you some additional gains, but I don't think 400 bucks is worth it.

 

He said ~30-45whp from the porting and ceramic coating.

Hmmmmm.. $400 is a lot of money.

 

I don't know about all that....maybe 15-20 hp.

Ceramic coating won't give you any HP...at least not that you'll notice. It will just prolong the life of the turbo by keeping the heat down.

 

So the ceramic coating is a good idea?
I ressurected an old thread at the "other place" and this onde due seems pretty knowledgeable.. He says its not a good idea. For the stock turbo anyways..

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f169/header-wrap-419005/

 

Hmmm...Well, I know Blackbird R/T personally. He lives here in SoCal, and is a very very smart man.

I had the ceramic coating on my manifold, and I didn't notice any negatives about it. It did, however, keep my overflow bottle from melting!

You have a S3 manifold, so it's already a little bigger then a stocker. However, if, by reading that info you decide not to do it, then that's no problem either.

 

OH the factory coolant overflow bottle?

Why would it melt? It does have a heatshield around it.

Still not sold on the ceramic coating... sounds to me it will cause the manifold to crack prematurely since it keeps the heat in if it was ported on the outside only. Now coating just the inside sounds like a win win since the heat can escape. Having both coated is in between, not sure.. Might slow down the flow since its another layer that needs to be added inside, not sure though since it is rather thin.

Probalby just going to get the Maxxfab S3 02 housing and the AGP WGA for power mods.. Was looking into the external gate that PTP offers for the S3 mani...

Anyone know the benefits of going tih an external gate? Could I still use PCM control?

 

The whole point of ceramic coating is to keep the heat in. Same reason people wrap headers if you keep the heat in the exhaust gas you keep the flow up as well as keep it more laminar.

External gate is going to give you better control over the boost than the flapper in there now, and no PCM wont control the external gate.