Bud vs. Momo (NA vs. Blower)

considering the nature of the tune..... they might very well rethink things...... nothing for nothing, but ultra safe is not going to win over a bunch of speed freaks and hp junkies that tend to be the types owning srt's!!! lol

 

well said...... although i very much understand kris' point, and he was gracious enough to allow me to pick his brain at the bmc gathering on this very topic, but bottomline, when people plunk down 6k in hard earned money, they want the world and think that just because the have a blower now, they will "blow" away (no pun intended) the rest of the cars on the road!!! it is a very slippery slope to try and market a warranty but also cater to the hp results!!! just my 2 cents..... lol but what do i know.... i am still stock.....lol oh:

 

Then that person shouldn't have touched it!

Is it Smith and Wesson's fault if some dumb-ass points a gun at someone and shoots? I'd hope you agree that its no.

Superchargers are powerful pieces of hardware that can blow motors - period. If you don't know what you're doing, don't mess with it. If someone does, I feel that's not the blower manufactures fault.

 

and to this point ryan, i would say maybe that expectations may get a little higher than reality in situations like this..... no one's fault per say, just the facts of life. it is tough to be bombarded with all kinds of claims of this and that while we surf the forums, it would be tough not to have high expectations going into something like getting a new blower!!!

 

ron you do not know me very well, lol. when i pick mine up there will be pulleys in my hand before i leave. "F" the warranty i am going to find out what the stock bottom end can take, but in baby steps.

 

That's because people who build cars know this already. For those that don't, you should do a LOT of research before putting anything on your car that will require tuning.

Rick, I appreciate your service to our country. No doubt about that. Any hardware you're planning on buying with your enlistment bonus (except half-shafts/Quaife) will require a CMR tune. Get it tuned, and you'll have much more than a car length.

Its the nature of the business. Vortech is in business to sell bullet-proof safe blowers. Several of us here aren't as concerned with safety as they are, but its not our reputation on the line when they sell a kit. Its just a balance between your personal goals and the vendor's. That's why my Vortech kit will get a performance tune. To each his own...

 

Where and when my friend?:bigwink:

TRUE DAT in a majority of the cases!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

That's exactly what I'm doing. Hence the reason I bug you three all the time with countless questions and know I will need a "good" tune with whatever I decide to do. Whether it's heads, cam, and intake, or a twin screw blower. And that's why the posting of this thread was a GOOD thing...to inform those who are doing the research.

 

Use the multi quote feature and stay on topic turd.

 

I hear you
I opened her up a bit more tonight and she felt pretty damn fast to me lol! Still havent gone hardcore for any length of time! I trust the Vortech tune is safe but I would never go racing without A/F and the accompanying gauges. Hopefully we will get to a dyno soon to see what the canned tune does, as far as racing and track time go...unfortunately our local track is closed for renovation until October so I won't be seeing the track anytime soon
We fully plan to tweak the tune because there is definitely more to be had and we fully expected that from day 1. My impression of the stock tune though is very good. BTW my mileage is incredible now I am running 1-2 MPG better than average on my commute!

One other note 1 car length in 1/3 mile may not seem like alot, but when my car was stock and I raced against N20 cars that were a full second faster they didn't put much more distance on me than that at the end of the 1/4...just something to think about.

 

With our trap speeds and times 1 car should be about 1 tenth of a second. It changes with speed and time.

 

He did in a later post... He said the only thing he was disappointed with was the supplied tune. Fine. But if you remember a long time ago the warranty was a BIG factor for Jason. Ok, so Momo flits around like a firefly so maybe it isn't a big factor for him now. Momo?

In fact :grin:, it's now finally getting sorted out that a tune might not even effect the warranty Jason has (if he doesn't have the power train add on).

So now Jason needs to find out if he has the warranty he thinks he has, haha. Then we'll see if he's disappointed or not.


I think the main value here is to get the evaluation and opinions of those who have it AND get all this confusion cleared up so people who are going to get one have the right set of expectations. Right now I see it as:

With the Vortech tune it's like getting a factory car with a factory blower.
Everyone gets the 3yr warranty on the blower kit itself.
Then it's possible to get the upgraded warranty to cover the drive train as well.

One last nit: is the drive train warranty a separate add on? or does it replace the kit warranty and cover both? The difference is that if the drive train warranty is an add on then you could elect to tune your car and the blower kit would still be covered. If it's a replacement then tuning your car might mean nothing is covered.

 

*Didn't he say something when you, Ralph and I were driving back about that?

Thanks for clarifying, bro.

Dave. The warranty thing will get cleared up. There was 'inside' discussion a month of so ago.

I planned on doing something to the car in addition to what Vortech provided, but wasn't aware of what (ie: Tune) until John W., Adam and Ralph started talking about it.

 

Jason, we all to include the brain trust of (John, Ralph and Adam) are learning as we go with this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Let me know what you guys do I am waiting to see what you SD boys do down south while I am getting mine installed so take your time haha.

 

Stretch/Mother you for got to mention what a stock car base lines at on that dyno??? Mother, Cheatek makes a good point about heat soak. And I would think that Rick's car is in the 402hp range with his $2500ish worth of mods, So you only had around a 12% advantage.. You guys should check this calculator http://www.torinocobra.com/horsepower.htm play around with it and see just how much power it takes to make even a 1 mph improvement. My buddy's S/C'd Charger SRT-8 with a half tank of fuel weighs in at 4200lbs then add driver.

 

A stock car on that dyno ran 360(different day though)...rick putting down 400 and ryan putting down 445...

 

When I first dyno'd bone stock I was right about 388 give or take on the dyno I used every time except when Vortech did theirs.
Bone stock = 388
Zoomers/AFE/Hi-Flows = 402
Vortech minus the AFE and Hi-Flows = 445-450 about the same as Ryans.

 

OK. I'm officially about to blow the fuck up at someone. I'm dead fucking serious. I seriously do NOT know who is doing this, whether its one person or 10...

1st. I post a totally LEGIT and truthful thread about the results of my blower install in real world, car to car performance and catch fucking shit about doing it. I don't know about any of you bitches, but I have fucking INTEGRITY and won't stand for telling half truths so that I benefit for myself. If the truth hurts, put a bandaid on it and don't piss and moan and talk crap about people behind their backs. Fucking coward(s). All some people think about is "how is this going to benefit or hurt ME?!?!".

Then I catch wind that someone is trying to say I'm ordering them to do things for me?!?! Are you fucking kidding me?!?!

Maybe it was the way I was raised and/or the job I do, but some motherfucker(s) better check themselves and fucking quick. In a matter of a 48 hour period, I had one person attack me for my honesty in posting results of the tests Rick and I did, and in the same fucking paragraph attempt to fucking blackmail me by insinuating that I should find someone else to help me with my car parts install if I continued telling the test results. I'll sell the fucking parts you're speaking of or ask a FRIEND to help me (aka: Jeff). To that person: Thanks for all the help in the past, but that BS was fucked up and I no longer will ever ask for your help... the down side of that for you is you probably lost a friend and someone who had stuck up for you in the past, all because of that half-assed, arrogant statement. Now, sadly, you're a suspect in this whole BS thing I'm dealing with right now.

THEN, I get a mysterious call from Vortech today (or yesterday - I was out working until 2 am this morning dealing with other assholes) saying that they want to speak with me... can I assume that someone is misleading them as to the intention of what I posted and thus trying to make themselves look like a hero that they'll never be?!?! Hmmm... odd, because other people have spoken to Vortech about the tune issues we're discussing here but haven't spoken out on a forum like I have. Here's a revelation: its been said here that EVERY blower needs to be retuned! So, what's the issue with me posting results from a canned tune?!?! *John, I know you sent me a PM about Vortech, but don't think I'm pointing the finger at you, ok?!?!

Someone's blowing smoke up someone's ass and possibly trying to make me look bad to a group of good folks at Vortech... now, I'm on the fucking warpath.

Do you think Vortech would appreciate me telling lies about their product or tune or even half-truths?!?! Because if someone didn't post the truth, ALOT of customers expecting something that they're not going to get with the canned tune WOULD BE LIVID and Vortech would catch a world of shit for it. My honesty will protect Vortech in the long run... not shady half-truths from someone looking out for themselves.

I'm the most level headed guy most of you will ever meet, but I am ENRAGED right now.

Any person with an ounce of education and relative comprehension of the English language can understand I am NOT bashing Vortech you fucks. I'm simply stating that the tune needs retuning... JUST LIKE MANY OTHERS HAVE SAID but have not posted like I have as in car to car results. However, I've got balls and integrity.

So, with that rant 'over', if someone is trying to fuck me, STOP. I can not put this in more serious terms. I'm not fucking with anyone, so don't fuck with me. I'm just a dumb ass who knows little about cars and alot about integrity.

Some don't know me that well, but I can go from the most caring and soft-spoken guy who'll put my life on the line for you, to someone who doesn't give a flying fuck, all in a heartbeat. Therefore, and as evidence of this, I'm basically not going to have my coilovers installed just so that I can save face and won't have to kiss ass.

Someone is being two-faced.

All of this is just too coincidental to be ironic.

So, if you are not one of or the person(s) doing this, please accept my apology for this rant. And for witnessing me losing my composure. I've made alot of friends here and I hope to make many more.

Its just sad that people think about "me" before "others", then outwardly or covertly attack those who don't. How can someone NOT want the truth to come out and inform people who may spend $6000+ for something what they are actually getting? That is so callous!

I'm sickened over this. Honestly. I am sickened. Maybe I'm more offended and hurt than I am pissed. I've never been anything but honest and friendly with nearly everyone on here and in our LX/SRT8 world. I don't bring knowledge or mechanical skill to the table, but I'm a good, decent, patriotic man who loves his family and his Mopar. That's it. I'm a simpleton... Then someone goes and starts pulling this shit.

Lastly: to who ever it is, fuck off. You've made an enemy, not a friend. This isn't highschool anymore, so grow up you self-centered, inconsiderate of others, asshole(s).

 

So I was wondering where you've been. You were just sitting there letting the pressure build until you exploded? The above was a little confusing... (We'll save the "how cute you are when enraged" and that you didn't mention "short" when you called yourself a simpleton, until later :grin.

So someone (anonymous?) pm'd you indicating that you shouldn't share any negative results or opinions? Or was it that they said you were intentionally lying?

Why would someone do that? What do you figure their angle is?

(I'll have to say, this is looking more intruiging than our average soap opera)