Bud vs. Momo (NA vs. Blower)

I believe John received an email from John at VORTECH. I meant to ask John W. to send it to me in a PM or via email...............Johnny are you listening and when you have a second can you please shoot that our way? Thanks, RP.

 

Jason, for some reason people aren't getting this............................:stars:

 

Especially with only one income...Lol! Crack that whip old man!

 

i lolz

 

nope no email he handed me and jason the paper work. I have copies at the house if you want to see it.

 

I appreciate it. I'll see if I can wake up Jason and get him to bring his in, so I can make copies. Thanks again, RP.

 

“The pleasure of expecting enjoyment is often greater than that of obtaining it, and the completion of almost every wish is found a disappointment” Samuel Johnson, English poet and writer, 1709-1784

Disappointment comes when something doesn't live up to your expectations, but were your expectations realistic is the real issue.

It sounds like you expected a race tune from Vortech, instead of a tune to get you up and running. That base tune has to work safely at all altitudes (the air is a lot thinner in Denver than So-Cal), all temps, and in all PCMs.

Did you honestly expect a tune that does all of the above to be the balls-out performance tune too? It just can't happen, there are too many variables.

I understand that you are disappointed, but as someone who has built several motors and cars before, I can tell you that you'll never be as fast as possible with anyone's base tune.

Everyone who buys ANY performance part (except CAI and cat-back) should also be budgeting money for a CMR tune. That's the way it works outside of our little LX world, and now inside it too thanks to Diablosport.

 

Stupid question but is it possible to get a CMR tune and swap back and forth at your disposal with a Predator?

 

you can load different ones on your predator from what i understand now..... so yes i believe the answer is..

 

To my limited knowledge you can swap back and forth! I high recommend saving a copy of all your tunes to you computer. Always put the stock tune back in before taking the car in to get work done to it!

 

Sorry I guess I mean is it possible to get somebody like DynoSteve to CMR tune it and then be able to save that tune onto a Predator and swap between Vortech canned tune and a CMR tune?

I feel like Momo sometimes when I ask these questions haha.

 

Yes

 

Having talked with most of the crew I can tell you that Jason has been the least dissapointed or outspoken. He only listed facts for his setup. Expectations? I would expect that if I paid 6k for a supercharger that I would gain more than one (1) car length out of the box over my pre blower setup, tune or no tune. That's what "I" would expect. And because Jason elequently pointed out the facts of his experience, and others like yourself have added that it will require a tune to turn it into something other than a over priced CAI, potential buyers can make the decision whether its for them or not. No one else has stepped up to the plate to enlighten the poor folks who are NOT gear heads and are here to learn or receive the facts. All I've heard about this system is "HELL YEAH, this system is INCREDIBLE....throw your 6K + tax, and install cost my way and you'll have the greatest thing since sliced bread." If one time I would have heard ANYONE mention that the Predator tune it comes with won't give you squat for performance, you'll need a good CMR tune and void your warranty, or "peak" hp is ??? but you'll lose hp everywhere else, I'd say cool. But, everyone has there own personal adendas whether it is a vendor, someone looking for a sponsorship, or folks just in plain denial, no one else has laid it out for forum members to make an educated decision about "their" hard earned fucking money. I'm going to Iraq later this year to fight a fucking war and save the tax free portion to buy a blower with. If no one would have stepped up to the plate I'd be thinking the 6 plus fucking thousand dollars I just put my Goddamn life on the line for would get me more than a fucking car length. But, thanks to Jason, and all you smart fuckers, I know I need to plan for a tune! Thank you!

Also, go back and read Jasons OP. He only states facts. He didn't make any comment about expectations...because he didn't have any.

 

So, you're gonna get one then? lol.

 

Tell us how you really feel! :bigwink:

 

I have only had mine running a few days and to be honest have not stomped on the car hard at all...but this car is night and day different from a stock or bolt on SRT8...I don't know if the carb issue in California caused the canned tunes to be even more low key that what I got, but even at low RPM this thing is a freaking beast, I am at 60 mph with my foot just grazing the throttle vs stomping on it before. I haven't even gone past 50% throttle yet. I know there is more to be had as is the case with any starting canned tune. We went for a ride last night and Lisa even remarked how quietly my car got to speed due to teh fact I didnbt even have to push the car hard to get it up to speed...it takes zero throttle pressure to get to 80+ mph now where before I was stomping WOT to get there in teh same time. Again I don't have dyno #'s or track times yet, but I can tell you thing is a far cry from a bolt on car...If it was not trust me I would not be posting this. I am not doing this to sell a blower, I paid for my blower with my cash...and it cost me more than what the R&D guys even paid even at dealer cost, so I would not be saying my personal feelings if it was not the case. I haven't been driving it long enough or hard enough to give more impressions than what I have stated thus far. My point about tuning was simple...canned tunes whether they are on N/A or forced induction will never be as good as a custom tune this is teh case on our cars or anyn other car out there. The fact that the canned tune runs as smooth as it does just amazes me...there are many kits for other cars out there that come with tunes and basically will only get your car running...not drivable! With as picky as our computers are I think Vortech did a heck of a job with the canned tune, no codes and runs smooth and apparently puts down a good amount of power based on the dyno runs. The fact that you can throw the canned tune in this setup and drive the car with no issues/codes etc is amazing to me. Again I am basing this on how the typical forced induction setup works on other cars. If you don't want to spend the bucks to get the full system you can get a Vortech tuner kit which includes the basics for alot less money...it does not include the tuner and tune and does not include all the fuel upgrades etc. It is just the Main parts: Head Unit, Brackets, Pulleys, Aftercooler etc. I would not recommed it unless you are having a shop that is knowledgeable do the install and they have an onsite dyno and a good hemi tuner, but that is another option.

 

Here is the key to your post Kris. Part throttle is fine because your still getting 18-20 degrees timing. As soon as you got WOT it removes all of it

 

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Any tune that comes with any supercharger is not going to be "balls to the wall" performance wise. Its the same with Ford, Chevy or whatever. Been that way a while. Like it has been said a couple of times here the supercharger manufacturer is going to release the safest tune possible to make sure the kit does not blow the car up. Is the kit capable of more? Of course, but there is no sense to do it in a canned tune type setup.

These type of kits ALWAYS need to be put on a dyno and a custom tune needs to be written, there are many factors when dealing with computers.

If you want to turn up the boost and get a better tune then the kit is ready for it, but don't expect a tune that is not customized for each computer of each car to give you the most performance right off the bat. Its still a fast car with the canned tune, you can't argue that, but its not a performance heavy tune, nor should it be.

 

I was the first 300 SRT8 to have this setup and I'm not going to argue with that! Most people however what that extra and again not to beat a dead horse, but VORTECH is being safe with their tune. Very understandable. I can see both sides of the issue. It isn't a right or wrong it is simply a need vs. a want IMO! Now go open her up you big *USSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

you speak from experience and should be listened to my friend......