Problemas!!!

No EGT sensors on the LXs. The O2 sensors may be able to monitor temp too, but I haven't tried. The IAT can be monitored with a scanner or OBD2 gauge. I have my aeroforce set to intake temps and boost at all times.

 

How about just monitoring IAT and watching the temps go through the roof...i was running 120-135 with my 8.5psi kit no meth with meth on it would drop to the 100s. If I didnt have coolant im sure it would hav been much higher.

 

Oops, I thought I was replying to my own posts. haha

and it looks like I was in the diesel section of the manual... doh.

I guess monitoring IAT would be the simple thing to do (too easy, it should be more exciting than that).

 

I think this is very likely! Heat kills!

Sorry to hear it Momo

 

I was under the impression he had already sold his asshole to get the blower in the first place.....:stars:oh:

I would assume also that a blown-out versus virgin sphincter probably can't command the same demands....Would recommend that Jason add a second bonus move to his repotoire before he tries to pull off the difficult....:zorro:

 

Damn man, this just sucks. The more I think of supercharging and what I actually know about wrenching on cars myself, the more I distance myself from the idea. Mrs. Momo, if she's anything like my wife, would have gave birth..again lol. I hope everything is covered under the warranty and the car is back and running again soon. Good luck man.

 

Sorry rick, but there is no such thing as a plug and play performance mod, every thing needs to be monitard and checked. we all discussed this when we where getting involved with this r&d program.

 

damn well should be, there is no excuse for a part that has had no significant changes in 40 years to fail on a modern engine.

 

but it is not a problem with the supercharger, it is a problem with the piston and ring design. blame the federal emission laws, if they were not so strict we could run more ring gap and then when the iat gets high the ring ends would not touch and brake the top of the piston.

 

It's not so much that either. It's because it's a mod. There's plenty of cars that come from the factory with a blower. They're set to run 100K and your grandma could drive it. Big difference from having something designed in from the start and adding it on later.

 

correct, they did not design the ring end cap for the additional expantion caused by the extra heat of the intake air temp form the compressing of the air. cars that have factory superchargers have a larger ring cap to allow for this expantion. that's why running a water/meth kit is so important, cooling the air is huge. it's like monitoring the exhaust temp on a diesel, when the temp gets to high you just have to back off the pedal.

 

well you guys know FAR more than i do thats for sure. my chief complaint is that its the year 2009, we should have turbines in our cars but instead we are running the same ole shit. i just feel bad for jason, he obviously got into this because he was promised that it was safe. i knew he shouldnt have done it (and i think i actually posted it here) but that point is moot. he had a stock engine and he tried FI under the impression that a minimum amount of boost wouldnt cause any issues.

i have a hard time believing vortech had his best interests in mind. knowing that he knew next to nothing about engine modifications leading up to forced induction.

maybe its just me, but im kinda pissed. its prob the alcohol, but im willing to tear vortech a new one. plus, they fucked me years ago with my shitty SC for one of my LT1 camaros.

 

milan - educate yourself, don't back off. i speak from experience. s/c was very foriegn to me at first, but the more i began to understand how it works, what the chief enemies were when doing f/i with these cars (read heat/lean), and how to prevent any possible issues, i feel more comfortable about doing it. obviously i do..... i now have a blower in my own car!!!

i was once told, cool air, cool combustion, good tuner........

i made sure to try and achieve all of this and be able to monitor everything i can....and actually know what the hell i am looking at and why!!! lol

see above comments to milan rick!!! hahahahaa

and the "tinkering" just comes as part of the package of being a "car guy"......just think of it this way, you tinker when you wash and detail, you tinker when you do stereo stuff, why not tinker with the mechanics as well? :grin:

very true!!!

ding, ding, ding......... when you start the design process with a blower in mind, all else will be designed accordingly!!!

 

You're right, they didn't tell him that. But others did. Honestly you don't need those things, but they're an extra layer of safety. Gauges give you extra info to see problems early, water/meth takes more heat out of the cylinder but its not essential, its safety. Vortech also probably assumed that he wasn't going to smash the cooler core and then drive around without coolant in it...

 

rick the thing that hurt ryans motor had nothing to do with the supercharger. so shut your pie hole until you know the facts.

 

Sorry that you had to eat popcorn while waiting, some of us are at work today.

Wow Rick. I don't know why you're so hostile, but yes John, Ralph, and I all suggested that they get water/meth injection. As a group, we had MANY conversations about the Vortech blower that you weren't involved with so you're flying off the handle here without all of the facts.

For the record, I don't have a sponsorship from anyone and I don't have a problem speaking out against Vortech if its warranted. In this case, its not warranted. This situation is the same as if you banged your oil pan off a speed bump, saw drops of oil, and then kept driving it without checking the dipstick.

By the way, if your supercharger coolant loop is out of coolant, you won't get an engine overheating warning.

If you really want to talk about Ryan's we can. His belt tensioner broke, his water pump stopped pumping and his motor overheated causing the rings to go solid and pop the ring lands. Without the waterpump spinning, coolant was not running past his ECT sensor so he never got a high temp reading until it was too late. Same thing could happen to anyone's motor, including your super safe stocker.

But what do I know.

 

adam, there is really no reason to continue this with rick. it's just his opinion and you will never change that. to bad he has such a strong opinion on things he know nothing about and has no facts on. all he wants to do is just complain because of what happen. and i again that it sucks but that is the way it is.

rick, it's a good thing you can know how to drive them because you sure have no knowledge of how to build them or how they really work.

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rick, stock motors blow up also. but i guess you did not know that.

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do you really want to go there, because i have the answers. that's one of the reasons i took care of that problem.

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Doh... c'mon guys. There's a lot worth discussing here, don't slam the door and throw it away.

I don't believe we have a definite verdict on cause? Doesn't the motor have to at least be opened up to be sure? There may be some likely causes you can infer from the symptoms but I don't think you can go on them as fact just yet.

It's certainly valuable for everyone to discuss them though. A number of things I think we can talk about if you keep it civil. Please speak to the issue and not the man.

* EVERYBODY wants to know the post mortem on the motor.

* What could have been done to avoid it?

* I expect there will be differences of opinion on whether it could have reasonably been avoided or not.

* Is there a weak spot in the system? Design, implementation, installation, maintenance, is it closer to the edge than others, etc.

* It is worth discussing what people should know or don't need to know or what they can/need to do depending on how much they *want* to know.

* It's worth talking about tradeoffs in reliability, restrictions on where you get things fixed or your maintenance done, etc.

* Vendor's obligation to educate/inform their customers. What are customers expected to know. (this one might have to be moved to the religion/politics forum but I think the issue could be discussed without getting personal).

 

As I read this, I have to say that Adam's analogy of what happened is a very good one. Hell, I would have never thought of that. lol

However, putting 8lbs of boost to a bone stock bottom end is certainly something that needs to be remembered and thought about. IMHO

I think that the combination of Adam, Ralph, and the boost level is more than likely the culprit?

This sucks big time and especially to a couple of great people in Jason and Ryan. Fortunately, there are many great guys with loads of knowledge that are in the area and obviously hard at work assisting those who are in need. My hats off to all who have come to the rescue to our brethren.

Rick, damn man, I can not believe you just slammed on some of your EQ family.