Better add a set of LT Headers or port your factory headers,a ported intake,some sort of a ram air intake setup,figure out how to get 300lbs out of the car.....not trying to discourage you,I just want to make sure you fully understand what you are in for.Cause if you are not aware then it will get pretty depressing for the first few outings as you try and sort things out.
I truly appreciate your input on this. I'm not getting discouraged, your actually making me want to pursue this even more. It's just that damn budget getting in my way. :grin:
Thanks for coming out this morning Curtis. You got a kick ass ride man. I'm going to have to call Stu up to get my set up. I still owe you lunch. Oh yea, i think the last sprint we did was the good one. Don't you agree! :harhar: haha!
I agree with Erik! I think most of the vendors heads these days are all very close performance wise. I think the biggest challenge is cam selection and what you want out of it. Do you want more torque down low or a high-end screamer like HHP's stage II cam. I'd do some research on cams if I were you.
Wait and See Carlos, Sorry to burst anyone's bubble but Mondello's wet flow racing heads are far superior to anyone's heads on the market today for the 6.1 hemi based engine. We dont bombard you with emails and text messages or bad mouth the other products. This statement is not based on "sham wow" sales tactics, speculation or emotion for this guy or that guy. Do yourself a favor and hold off, see the results in the next few weeks from some of the LX guys that are about to try them. I dont do this for a living, I own a construction company, but I am a passionate enthusiast. Do a little more research on who has been doing this the longest(20 years plus), and also ask yourself who has been in this game the longest, and who will survive in the next year or two. Joe Mondello is one of the oldest names in the field of racing head design, and owns/operates the first and oldest porting school in the nation. He developed the wet flow technique that is used today and is still consulted by the top names. Research who designs, builds and supplies heads to some of the top guys in the industry. I guarantee you it isnt any of the current brokers. Research who has been around this game the longest with a reputation know in the Pro Stock arena. I will set you up with Mondello's directly before you make your decision. I only do this for a tax write off, so my child support is NOT based on your business with Joe Mondello. Do yourself a favor and read up a bit and wait a week or two if you truly want the best performance for your money Steve PS......let me know if you find a national article with any of the "popular" vendors/brokers selling heads for the current 6.1 hemi. It would be interesting reading...lol!!! http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/116_0612_cylinder_head_flow_bench/index.html http://www.babcox.com/editorial/ar/eb110670.htm http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4078/is_200402/ai_n9383508/ .
Thanks Steve, I'm in no hurry to get this done right at this moment. I have just started to do research on this, thanks for all the good points you made. I just want to get it right the first time. What is your cam of choice to complement the Mondello Heads?
Are you sure you dont bad mouth others products? In this thread alone, I see at least 5 insults. John Marcella at ETP did the developement on our heads and Ed Curtis does all of our camshafts. Feel free to Google both of them to find numerous articles and records in the Performance Industry. In addition to that, this is the 11 second NA database which includes every 11 second LX/LY on the forums. 9 of 25 of the fastest LX/LY's are running our heads. Thats 36% of the fastest cars out there. Examples of our cylinder heads.
I don't know much about heads & cam, but i think it's safe to say those are top notch. They sure are purdy.
Good head is what it's all about. Damn familiar looking too. :grin: Andy, car's running great. Thanks again for the top notch service. I look forward to some cocktails in Charlotte with you and Brad King.
Okay... Who has an engine dyno? Maybe a donor SRT8 will work also. Here is how the raffle works.... Forum members buy as many tickets as they want for $100.00. Every vendor supplies their best Stage II 6.1L head. The vendors get an equal percentage of the ticket sales. The heads that were used in the test go to the winning members. The winnings are distributed by highest to lowest HP/TQ numbers. That would make about 6 (or maybe 7?) winners! HHP, PPP, Mondello, SHR, FRI, Inertia, and maybe also Arrington? (Arrington claims better due to a different type of wet flow process) [OH...List not in any order of personal preference] ..
Reply in Red. PPP Heads/Cam Jeep runs 11.17 compared to your 426 Jeep running 11.15. PPP Heads vs Wet-Flow PPP Cam vs ???? (I dont know what you run) stock 6.1 vs 426 stock intake vs ported intake stock converter vs Pro-Tq converter You supposedly have better heads, cam, engine, converter, and intake yet you are only .02 faster? Those dont look like facts to me.
This was the OP .. The only vendors that i have been looking into is Inertia, PPP, and HHP. I'm looking for the most affordable and proven set up. If anyone could help me decide on a solid set up, please feel free to help out. Also, throw some numbers out. H/P, T/Q, parts cost, and install costs. I wanna get all the parts from the same vendor. Maybe you guys can just say what kind of hp numbers, part costs, install costs etc .. Personal experiences .. hows the car running .. any problems .. what should we look for ... I personally could give a fuck who makes, designs, or blows whoever ... plus I really am not interested in seeing a vendor post in this thread ... thats just me So heads/cam guys .. lets hear it ..
OP I'm also planning my heads/cam upgrades in preparation of my warranty expiration in 16,001 miles ... sometime after summer. I agree with CoolFlo on the vendors ... I don't really care to read vendor posts that are little more than marketing blurbs that I've already read on their websites or in emails. Watching vendors bicker does little for me but create questions about whether or not they would argue with me like that. This is teh intarwebz guys, never feel you have to defend yourself ... proof is in the pudding. Don't feed the Trolls(tm). A lot of people here have done heads and cam upgrades, I would also like to know some of what went into their decision making process; What product did you use? Why? What made that choice stand out over others (power, price, pretty, etc)? What challenges did you have? If you had it to do over with what you have experienced during your upgrade(s), what would you reconsider, what would you do differently? What would have saved you money and effort? What do you recommend a newbie consider when upgrading their SRT heads and cam BEFORE they buy them.
I know I am a vendor here but I don't sell parts,just put them in.....IMO the first thing you need to realise is no one head make a crazy amount of power over another.There is only so much that you can do on a factory casting.Anyone that has a decent head program will make you good power whether its CNC'd or Hand Ported.Next look into components....what springs are they using?Do I need titanium retainers?Do I need bronze guides?For most the answer is no,no reason to have it on a street car,and they can save a few bucks by not buying all the extras.....for the guys with big lift cams that want to run every weekend I would get the extras.Unless you are really good at picking components I would stay with a single vendor and go with a package,ESPECIALLY if your mechanical knowledge is limited......at least then you have one person to go back to if you don't get what you want and don't need to figure out whos part isn't up to the task. Camshafts are a big deal.....you want to choose one that will keep you in your powerband as long as possible.A cam that doesn't come on till 3800rpm while you have a 2800 rpm converter is useless.So is a cam that comes on at 2600rpm and falls off 500rpm before the shift.Matching cam to converter and shift point is critical on a drag car.And also remember most big duration cams will not work properly with stock pistons as they need to be retarded for piston to valve clearance. Lastly as I stated earlier are the supporting bits,CAI,Headers,Catback,Axles,Tuning(huge),and generally learning the car.You need to learn the conditions the car will like for max power(engine and oil temps),max grip(tire pressures,burnout duration) as well as prepping the car for the track.Any of us that go out and lay down really good numbers don't just show up and get in the staging lanes.There is alot of prep work that start days before a track event.So when you see one vendors car run a mid 11 pass don't think even for a second thats what that package will do.Most vendor packages will run a full half second slower(or more) than the records you see if there wasn't huge attention to detail by the owner.
Yar. Great info, thanks That said, feel like fielding the other questions like what you used and why and what you might do differently that could have saved you hassle, cost, or would've just been plain better? Or how 'bout you Captain Ron?
