Quote: Ever wonder if your airfuel will change with race gas? The answer is yes.... Real gasoline has various different stoich points due to the blend, how much ethanol is in it, etc. It is somewhere between 14.1 and 14.7 though. Finding the information on race gas isn't easy. It is not posted anywhere on the internet that I have found. VP does not publish it, nor does Sunoco (TurboBlue) Several weeks ago I got in touch with the chemist at VP and got all the stoich points of their fuels. Last week I got in touch with a Sunoco chemist and got the data from him as well. When I asked the guy from Sunoco why they don't publish the information on the TurboBlue website he said - Quote: Eric - you're right, stoichiometry is important. Fact is many people have no idea what it is - kudos to you for knowing. Unfortunately many folks we talk to think the stoichiometric air/fuel ratio is where they should set their fuel system at wide open throttle. So we are torn about posting or not posting stoichiometry data because of that potential problem. Shocking right? Especially when you see how different the fuels are... Here is a list of the ones I have gathered. Sunoco MO2X UL – 14.5 Sunoco 260 GTX – 14.4 Sunoco 260 GT – 13.9 Sunoco 260 GT Plus – 13.7 Sunoco Standard – 14.8 Sunoco Supreme – 14.9 Sunoco MO2X – 14.5 Sunoco HCR Plus – 14.8 Sunoco Maximal – 15.0 Sunoco MaxNOS – 14.9 Turbo Blue Unleaded (100 octane): 13.9:1 Turbo Blue Unleaded Plus (104 octane): 13.7:1 Turbo Blue 110: 14.7:1 Turbo Blue Advantage: 14.9:1 Turbo Blue Extreme: 15.0:1 VP Street Blaze 100 = 14.16 VP C10 = 14.53 VP 110 = 15.09 VP C16 = 14.77 VP MS109 = 13.41 Back to pump gas.... While I had the Sunoco guy's ear, I tried to get an answer about the stoich of their fuel and to find out how much actual Ethanol is in it, when the label says up to 10%... Here are his comments... Quote: I know plenty about pump gas, enough to say that there is no useful stoichiometry data on pump gas. Composition varies WAY too much, regardless of brand/refinery/etc... especially on the lower octane grades. But I can tell you that Sunoco 94, which is very hard to find these days, will contain some ethanol. Per the first sentence, it will depend on the blend though. I would go out on a limb and say it is nearly 10% most of the time (keep in mind 10% is the max allowed by law). Street gas blends change all the time thanks to environmental requirements (fed/state/local), seasonal adjustments, and price pressures. Really makes you wonder if what is common knowledge of what is the 'right' a/f is completely wrong. stoichimetric ratio for various other fuels: Gas (Reg=14.8...Prem=14.7) Iso-octane=15.2 Diesel=14.5 Methanol=6.47 Ethanol=9 E85=9.87 Propane=15.67 Hydrogen=34.3 Methane=17.2 Kerosene=14.5 Benzene=13.3 Toluene=13.4 LPG=15.5
wow I have no idea what I just read but thats alot of info. Nice work man. So are cars always try to see 14.7 at idle right so what race gas is best for us
I think that you're confusing octane and stoich. Stoich(ometric) is the ratio of air to fuel (AFR) required for a complete or optimal burn. The info on pump gas lists premium at 14.7 which is what our cars try to maintain at closed loop. Octane is the fuels resistance to pre-detonation, or exploding without spark energy. Lower octane = more knock and knock retard. So race gas will only help you if your car is pulling timing due to knock on pump gas, UNLESS YOU TUNE FOR IT. If you have a race gas tune, it will have more timing in it to take advantage of race gas's higher octane.
