Bud (NA) vs. Momo (Vortech) Race Videos

Ok, stop by for a soda.

 

Just fyi I am running 22 inch Vs and I think what some are missing in Jason explanation is that even coming out soft or from a roll if the air is cool and the car is not heat soaked at 4000-shift in first the boost builds and breaks the tires loose. Does it suck for racing yes but does it bring a smile and looks hell yeah! I mean im cruising along and at 15-20 mph throttle it up...at 4000 to 4500 the boost overpowers the tires. You can hear it in the vids. Mind you I am spinning heavier wheels.

I firmly believe that with tuning we can get more low end from the kits but with the fact that all of us but Ralph dont have LSD's I think its just going to hamper our performance low end. On the freeway the other night Jason and I walked away from Rick according to his own post. Cool air and top end is where these kits are happy for now. I am hoping that with tuning and traction we can see a big improvement in the low end as well...Dont forget what I said about timing as well. Vortechs tune is pulling timing at WOT to 3 degrees and then ramping it back up. Daves tune NA is giving about 20. I have the logs from my b&g and initial tunes to prove this. Giving up that much timing is as we all know giving up power.

Oh yeah Jason try getting on it with the esp button clicked just once it will save your brakes some

 

He's probably a better driver! Plus, that Vortech kicks in like a friggin mule when she reaches her sweet rpm spot. Its not a smooth, fluid increase in power... its almost like: "BRING IT ON!". It happens fast, and the only way, IMO to thwart tire spin is to let off/feather when I start going sideways.

IMO#2: this is the reason I pull well above 40mph... I dump her into 2nd and HAMMER it... little or no tire spin and all the power goes to the ground efficiently. See the last video for proof... while I didn't destroy Rick, I pulled well enough!

John, I tried that when I was messing around with that iPhone performance program called "Dynoliscious" (there's 2 threads on it here)... sure as hell saved my brakes, but the tires... not so much! LMAO!

 

You guys (other than Drew) sound like a bunch of Honda owners with a fart can.

You act as if you are the only ones to be going through this more power thing. Sorry, but last year there were pleanty of us going to the track running on street radials and at crappy prepped tracks.

If you go to the track on DR's and then try and compare them with old times when the car was stock, it would be an unfair comparison because when you were stock you ran on street radials. Do a street radial to street radial comparison from stock to modded. Sheesh, quit making excuses and DEW IT!

Drew, your .3 gain is awsome man. Good job. If you don't mind, start a new thread with the comparison time slips from stock to S/C'd. And yes, I know QualComm is an 1/8 mile track.

Truth be told, your car is not in the power band until you hit the 1/8 mile marker, so yea, you guys are losing out on a good part of your power. But you are still in boost on the bottom end of any track.

 

I have to learn to lauch/control her into 2nd... or else I'll take out the dam concrete barriers! And FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK that! Remember: I hit a curb with "Sally" and that cost me.

 

You guys with the Vortech cars are definitely making more power and I'm sure your having traction problems in 1st and 2nd gear. The highway run VID IMO should've yielded a bigger distance between the cars. What I'd like to see is someone with a stage II heads/cam package run against one of the Vortech cars. How about it Milan?

 

Rick please do me a favor and run this again without the b&g or even with out the pred. I think the b&g helps but i wonder how much. Also I am curious about heat soak. Since the other night you said I put at least 6 on you from 60 up...Was jasons car hot?

 

John, that's just weird. You and I both put alot of distance on Rick that night. As for my car, I drove about 3 miles to get to the test site... running no more than 195ish.

 

You guys are missing the point.

I have been running 12psi for over a year. I have run at the track with DR's, OEM 20's, AND my 22's.

I know ALL about loss of traction, but I am not using it as an excuse. I am asking for real world track numbers. Street runs are crap IMO. They are fun to watch, but the street does NOT give real world numbers for horsies.

 

True... but if I can't control the car for good post-1st gear lauches, what's the point?!?! I gotta crawl before I walk! I think with Drew going to the track, or John or Adam, that'd be the best to offer at this point.

That's an option.

 

Ron once I get my tune under control Ill get her on a dyno to finish it off. I think this will show the lack of down low power and the gain from the boost. I know it doesnt give track times but one of my gauges I think does 1/4 mile info from the obdII port and is supposed to be fairly accurate. Ill play with that and see if its worth reporting on.

I cant wait for Adams to get tuned to see if the heads/cam helps with the low end I feel we are missing. Either that or Ill suck it up and forge the bottom end and add boost

 

Nice videos- but none from a dig?...His S/C is already spooled and has an edge.

 

No digs... we were trying to take driver out of the equation...

 

We already know that these kits with vortechs tune are pulling timing to near 0 degrees from low end diggs. The point here is to avoid traction issues and still start below where the supercharger is making boost. I dont see 2 psi till 3300 so at 1500 its damn near 0.

 

OMG Ron I spit coffee all over the place at that comment, thanks!!! LMFAO FOR 10 MINUTES STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!! (you're absolutely right too ... how'd they get a fart can anyway, lol!)

BTW, I got something a little different from watching those vids ... Momo's car is FRIGGIN SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

1. Don't encourage him.
2. Thanks. I don't know what 1 or 2 car lengths equates to at a track, but she does move well for a big load... better than she did before the blower for sure.

 

Rick, on lxforums you said that you're disappointed with the Vortech's performance. Why? You got beat by a car length, which is about 1 second. So assuming you run a 13 flat 1/4 mile with your B&G, Jason ran a 12 flat. That is a BIG difference in a 2 ton car. There are not too many cars in the 11s without nitrous. The strokers that are there usually have converters and half shaft with DRs too. I just don't see where the performance is lacking, of course I'm admitted biased since I'd be the one looking at you in my rear-view mirror.

 

As soon as Moroso reopens i will be at the track on street radials and have plenty of times to post for you all to compare to my car when it was stock on street radials. My problem right now is that the track is closed for the summer for renovations, or we would have had #'s by now!

 

1 second at, say 108 mph, is about 158 feet isn't it?