Well, since I've been censored for being "rude and vendor bashing" in PPP forum (although I never bashed, I might have been rude to the thin skinned). I did speak my mind and tell them that unless I see a cam grind they're not seeing my $$$. I need to post this over here. Does anyone have a 6.1L Track or Race warrior cam card? Can you post or PM me the grind info (lift, duration, LSA) please? Thank you.
I can tell you that I have their Track cam and am very happy with it. I do not know the specs. Sorry, I know that doesn't help your cause.
I can't help you with the info other than to tell you the track warrior cam is a very nice street cam that peaks torque wise at 4500 to 500 torque and about 475 toque on either side from 4k and then 5k. Horsepower peaked at 5.6k up to 484hp. It drops to about 450hp at 6.2k. Overall a very good cam that is rather street tame. Theres is some lope, but it is mild. C.
Are you talking about your 426 Carl, or a 6.1? Your cam is a different animal in a 6.1. PPP's cams are propreitary from their grinder. There is more involved with a cam than just Lift, duration, and LSA. I believe they have new cams coming with the advent of CMR tuning.
If You Do Not Get Cam Specs They How Are You Suppose To Know How That Cam Will Work With Your Other Mods. Are You Just Suppose To Take Someones Word That It Works. Because Not One Cam Will Work With All Mods.
Not bad at all Carl. Are you coming to the Rumble Meeting at 8PM tonight. Short notice I know. Cam selections should be done by professionals. My cam's are all custom ground. Most don't have a clue, many think they do. Companies like PPP have quite a few grinds for different HP and performance goals. they know what works with your level of mods. Most overcam their cars when doing it on their own.
true statement hal. but when it comes to building engines this one only has 1/3 the horses of my oth play toy.
hmmm.... guess that would make them apples and oranges then :imao: sorry couldnt resist......what ya got?
i run a quick 8 style outlaw pro street car for a few years, than went to work as a clutch and fuel system tuner for a championship winning nostalgia top fuel car and hoping to return mid next year with a nostalgia funny car. been around nitro and nitrous my whole life. my dad ran a top fuel car on the nhra circuit up til 1996 then i broke off into outlaw door slammers when i turned 18. i brought my magnum srt8 because it will fit in the upstair level of my semi. what about you?
No championships here, just a few Wallys when we ran the NHRA national event tour. We were a mail order tools and performance parts company and NHRA major sponsor. I was basically team manager and director of the speedshop and mail order division. Now I just play with my 300C SRT8 on weekends and reminisce about the good ol'days. Try to attend a few races and hang out with friends when I can.
I am sorry I deleted your posts, but just because you dont agree with our policy doesnt mean you have to post derogatory statements about our company. Again, I am sorry, but we do not release the specs. I would be glad to do a custom grind for you based off of your request and I will give you the specs. Assuming we have every possible cam option available, just tell us what you are looking for and we can help make it happen.
I have one of PPP cams; the Road Warrior on stock heads. The cams are pretty damn good! I can only tell you from my experience but I am extremely happy with the results of the cam.
I never posted anything derogatory about your company. I questioned why you couldn't release your cam specs and when I found out you wouldn't release the cam grind, I said that's too bad because you lost both my cam and head business. How is any of that derogatory about PPP? Thank you for your offer to custom grind me a cam, but I'm now working with another vendor who is more willing to work with guys who can build their own engines.
I dont understand your frustrations, Andy clearly stated that if you wanted to design the cam you can send him the specs and he will have one ground for you. The only reason you would need their cam specs IMO would be to tell people the specs on your cam, which IMO isnt necessary. Trusting your engine builder is 99% of having a good engine, and if you dont trust that Andy is going to give you the cam you are looking for, then I dont know what to tell you. He knows what all of his cams are made to do, so telling him what you are wanting for an outcome would help immensely and get you pretty damn close. And I am not trying to be rude, but not knowing the cam specs, is not that big of a deal I truly think you should call Andy PPP and talk with him about it, if you both put your heads together I am sure you will find the perfect cam for yourself
Why does anyone need the cam grind? If you're smart enough to know whether you want the cam based on the full cam grind specs, then you're smart enough to just spec out the perfect cam you want yourself. No legitimate reason to ask for proprietary info. If you know EXACTLY what you want anyway, just call Comp Cams and they'll custom make it for you.
Well guys the point of asking for the specs is to see if that cam will work 1)where you want it to and 2) with the other parts your planning. Andy and I have talked in PM and we understand whats going on. 1fastsedan wasnt trying to be rude or anything along those lines from the looks of it. He just wanted to know what the cam specs were to see if they would work with the heads he was considering and in the range he wanted it to. Nothing against Andy in anyway but I am my engine builder and have been doing it for years. He doesnt design the cams his guy does. Dustin trust is earned never given freely. With that said I am not sure about you but I am not looking to get close Im looking to get spot on. And not knowing the cam specs is like not know what processor is coming with that new computer you just bought for X number of dollars. It might be perfect for the guy surfing the web but not for the guy doing video editing... One final thing to have proprietary specs on a cam is kinda rare in a world where most cams for people are listed by there specs...look in a parts catalog. I respect that Andy has chosen to not reveal his specs due to an agreement he has made. I also dont understand it. For most people that just want to buy a package and have someone else install it sure they dont need to know specs they just need to be told it works. For some that want to know the why before they buy because they can do it themselves you have to respect that. You are right you can go to any cam manufacture and have a custom cam done up very easily but if Andy was to say to me "my cam is X" and thats near what im looking for or even excatly what im looking for why... This entire topic came about because 1 member was asking a simple question that 99% of people building their engines would ask. Its not meant for the people that buy off the shelf packages its meant for gearheads that are doing the work themselves. I feel as a staff member your comments came across as biased to a vendor and probably should have been more thought out.
I need the grind to know where in the band the cam is going to make its power, if its going to work with larger valves, and how/what degree its going to need to be installed. In terms of spec'ing out my cam, that is what I did for all my Chevy motors, but this is my first HEMI so I am, admittedly, still learning some of the details to gain power. However, I still understand cam timing and can compare cams based on cam cards. If there is a current grind that has what I'm looking for, I'll buy it. If not, I'll have my own done. In the end, I finally did just call up someone and get a custom grind done, thanks for the advice.
Since I own the company, I figure I am the best person to hopefully put an end to this discussion. You have openly asked for proprietary information from our customers. That is in my opinion a little distasteful to do in consideration of our Policy. That is true. One cam will not work with all mods. But in this case, we have spent the last two years at PPP defining repeatable, working combinations. Our word is one you can take right down to the track and prove it was a word confidently given. As for using our products in combination with another vendors Heads, we do not make any guarantees, as we did not design the Heads. But we are comfortable with some of our cams even in combination with stock Heads, so if the other Vendors products are better than stock, we are comfortable making a recommendation for some of PPP's cams for use with another vendors Heads, but not all cams. We have forced induction cams and nitrous cams that are designed with Stock tolerances, and we have Naturally Aspirated, extreme cams for a fully custom designed configuration. So we are very open to speaking with our customers and making recommendations. If you are interested in PPP products Mol, we would be glad to discuss your particular interests over the phone. I guess you are looking to buy a cam, even though you already have an aftermarket cam, as per your thread you posted on November 7th. I will apologize, but we just got into it with another vendor about our cams and honestly its a touchy subject. If I have misinterpreted the situation, I apologize. http://www.srtconnection.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116 So if you already own a aftermarket camshaft, could you please let us know why you are now looking at replacing it? You've had it in less than 2 months. Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to get more information. Except he has already done the cam mod to his engine, which you already knew, since you helped with the installation. It was hard for me to see an honest request being made here, but I've been informed that it may have been the case. He may have been ligitimately looking to replace that cam with a different one, and was looking for specific information, and I can understand the need to know information, but a phone call would have avoided this entire discussion. Needless to say, currently the information being requested is considered proprietary. With all the hammering about our cam specs, we may consider releasing some information on the cams that do not require our Stage 2 or better Heads, so that those with Heads from another vendor can make educated decisions when evaluating whether a PPP cam will be right for them. As for our products and the results they produce, they have proven themselves time and time again on the street and the track. We've worked hard for the ability to provide our customers consistent, powerful, record setting results; that they can be sure won't be copied, unless they are running against another PPP customer. Gives our customers the assurance that when they go to the track, they have an edge. Jeremy S.
I've edited my original post in light of some new information that has come to my attention. Unfortunately, we just finished being attacked on this very same subject on another forum. As a matter of fact, the original thread here where all this started was posted one day after that particular situation, so it felt a little weird to see it come up again. Sometimes people just want to know and we understand that. We also gave our word to our cam profiler and for me, that means a lot. I will make some calls tomorrow and see if there is any discomfort with providing some basic information on some of our cams, so we can put this topic to rest. Sincerely, Jeremy
