EBC Redstuff Ceramic?

I've heard good things about their products in general... I believe most say the yellow stuff pads are best (could be wrong). However, the less brake dust issue will draw alot of attention around these parts.

 

red are supposed to be a bit less stopping power but 50% or so less dust. I have the yellows and my dust is a little bit(15% or so) less then stock but damn they stop better!

 

I have them on my car and love them! Much less dust than stock and great stopping power
http://www.bmcspeedshop.com/product_p/ebc-dp31764c.htm
http://www.bmcspeedshop.com/product_p/ebc-dp31788c.htm

 

I have the posiquiets. Is the stopping power on these bad. I cant remember what the stock stopping power was like. I just know I am dust free.

 

From what I have heard. The StopTech/Centric (Or is it Centric/StopTech?) "PosiQuiets" work well.... it just requires a little more pedal pressure than stock... but this should be easy to adjust to. This may also be required of the EBC "Redstuff" pads.
Usually because it is new pads anyway, and you are aware of this, this adjustment to more pedal pressure is picked up quickly.

 

how long have you had the charger and its driving you nuts? hahaha....

you cant drive anywhere without your wheels being like black....so when its time to change pads im gonna be looking for something like this...let me know how they go big guy!

 

OK. Gotta chime in with an opinion.

One of SRT's BENCHMARK measurements on vehicle performance is the 0-100-0 test. Which requires AT LEAST the stock pads. Anything less, and to pseudo-quote Rick: "you're not really driving a true SRT anymore" because you have lessened one of the car's KEY attributes... its AWESOME braking.

Lets also think about safety. The SRT engineers put Brembos with Brembo pads on these vehicles to corral the 425 horses (minimum) pushing a car weighing in excess of 4000 lbs.

Lesser pads (alot less brake dust) mean longer stopping distances. I would kind of equate this to sticky high performance tires with a UTQG of around 220 to a decent high performance tire with a 300 UTQG rating.

If you're gonna go fast, you best be able to stop just as quickly. Even a few feet WILL make the difference between "that was close" and "SOB!".

Sure, our cars are great looking... but the're performance vehicles that don't have the buku dollar ceramic setups of the exotics.

I was once SICK of the brake dust, then I reconsidered the facts I laid out above... now, its no big deal. And I am a CLEAN FREAK with my car.

I just value its safety and performance (acceleration and stopping) more so than the inconvenience of wiping her down everyother day.

I'm not saying there's a true right or wrong, but the car was built with what it was built with for a reason. Don't take my word for it... ask Gilles.

*EDIT: sdcarguys' pads are a great compromise. Little to no braking difference, but a little less dust.

 

Too bad they don't make the Charger in SRTDesign for some of these "posers". Hehe (a devious Hehe...not a little kiddy hehe)

 

I believe the PosiQuiets and the RedStuff pads are better than the stock pads.

I don't wnat to really start something but wasn't the "Eastlake Queertette" testing slightly flawed.
You did not use full anti-lock brake stopping tests in the 0-100-0.
You stopped "as fast as you thought you could" but did not actually do the testing using full potential of the anti-lock braking system.
In other words.... at 100 pmh you did not do a full "stomp on the brakes" stop.

Rick,
This would have been good test to have done "before and after" for your Vredesteins. I believe you guys even did this test even before Rick got his KV2s.
You should do one to see where you are in relation to the advertised SRT8 "0-100-0 in 15 secs" standard. Aren't you running PosiQuiets also.

 

*EDIT: sdcarguys' pads are a great compromise. Little to no braking difference, but a little less dust.

MoMo you need to read better...mine are a little less dust but better and I mean noticeably better. I paid 204 shipped to my door for the full set.

 

Nathan, I bit the bullet and replaced the Posi-Quiets with the stock pads after about 1k miles. The composition of the Posi-Quiets are inferior to the stock pads. I did a lot of research on brake pad composition..I'll try to find the literature....but, I kept the Posi-Quiets, so I suppose I can do a real comparison. What would be the correct way to test both so "we" can end this arbitrary discussion?

 

Hmmmm.....look what I found!

 

In a one time panic stop both pads will "probably" stop in roughly the same distance. In initial bite and repeated braking the edge will go to the stock pads based on the friction coefficient of the pad material. With the semi-metallic (Posi-Quiets) you will get ONE good initial bite...but will fade quickly. That's all I'm trying to say! For "performance"...not "the daily commute"....the Brembo's are superior!

 

But I think he changed his mind once he realized that friction only produces heat. You don't have to lose material to have friction.

Ok, maybe that would be more correct in that stopping something releases energy. That could all go into producing heat.

 

Darn...you would have found that....bit my self....sort of.
Different brake materials will have diff side effects.. and sacrificing material can improve braking with some material compounds.
See next answer.

Correct..there are pad materials that can stop without releasing material. Pure carbon rotors/brakes on F1 cars and planes are an example of this. The hotter they get the better they work. They are actually designed to work better in the 1,000F range. Ceramic compounds do well also.

Okay...now we get into what is recommended for the strret and what is recommended for track. In a street car it is hard to keep the rotor temps up at all times to utilize the better braking of some materials.

 

You're right John, my bad!

 

are these like Ceramic breaks where you gotta heat em up a bit before they start working to their full potential? lol