Vortech: New Hemi Systems in Final Development Stage - Pricing Inside!

What a surprise you are talking about money vs. mods (YOU WILL NEVER GET!)

LISA, that would be great!

John like always! I agree with everything you stated.

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LISA,

Does the 3 year/36,000 mile warranty come with the package "PERIOD" or does it depend on mods on the vehicle and shop that does eventual install?

 

I think it depends... you get nothing.

 

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ok so that leads me to the next question which i think i know the answer to sadly...

if you have a Predator...if the car gets SCT tuned...you wont be able to have this tune saved on the Pred at all...and would then need to have it installed by an SCT tuner/tuning place? is that correct?

 

Correct, the SCT tune would have to go on an SCT handheld (XCal2, XCal3, Livewire). BUT, if/when we get to that point and are tuning, I would offer the Predator buy-back program for that as well.

Update from Vortech ... they cannot do a Predator delete and still provide the tune, so I think our buy-back is the way to go for this. You would get the new Predator with your Vortech kit and we'll buy-back your old Predator so you aren't stuck with two.

BTW, the Vortech test that provided these power #s was at only 5.5psi.

Pics of the entire Vortech kit components coming very soon!!

Thanks for all the posts and questions!
Lisa.

 

superchargers have been around for a hugely long time, roots have been around the longest, dating back to the 1900s.

roots type blowers will always be more expensive than centrifugal, centrifugal is often looked at as the cheap option when SCs are mentioned. its cheaper to install, cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain and are the safest way to supercharge your stock motor. though it doesnt offer as much boost at low rpm ranges.

the icharger offers a lot more positives to justify the cost. not only does it offer high boost in all rpm ranges, but it also has the ability to produce higher levels of boost. the downside is its often much more expensive to run then centri, it is more complicated to install and it produces more heat.

when i was running my lt1 camaro with a vortech blower, i would have sold my first born to get one of the new magna chargers that were out for the ls1s.

centri vs roots = with centri, you will always be slower than the other guy. but the good part is you will have more money in your pocket...

 

Centri's being slower or less powerful than roots is a common misconception IMO.
It is true that roots provide more instant boost, and more low end torque easier than a centri can. The downside of that boost is they can be harder on the internals. The centri builds power more naturally w/ the increase of RPM's. However, you can get just as much HP out of a centri as you can a roots blower. Go to any NMRA/NMCA drag race and see how many cars are running Vortech or Prochargers compared to Whipple/Eaton/ Magnacharger/Kenne Bell. (Don't take any of this as downing the other products because we also sell Magnachargers and Whipples and they are also great products) There are a few that do run them, but the cars that are winning on a regular basis use Centri's if they are S/C. If they are not S/C they use turbos.
A perfect example of a Centri putting down alot of power, and more than most roots w/ similar setups is Lisa's personal stang...700+ at the wheels about 900 at the motor w/ a T Trim Vortech through an Automatic. Keep in mind this is a little 2V 4.6L NOT a 4V Cobra motor. the only thing keeping her power at that level was the fact the T-Trim was maxed out..with her new setup that # should be much higher. You can make great usable power with either a centri or a roots, like anything else it is a mater of taste, budget, and what you want to do with your car. You can make crazy power with either so personal taste plays a big role too! Personally I like the whistle of a centri vs the whine of a roots lol!

 

oh no kris, i dont take your thoughts as a diss to the roots crowd. it is harder on the internals like you point out, that is the reason why so many people go centri. its the easiest, cheapest and safest route to go when money is an issue.

the reason why so many folks are running these at the track is because centri is so damn easy. easy is not a bad thing at all, its just it cant be compared to the obvious power that roots or its predecessor screw, offer.

dont get me wrong, lisa has an amazing car. but compared to the others out there who are running big boost, 700+ is more middle of the crowd than anything else as far as FI is concerned. plus, as you know, dyno racing is about as useless as a screen-door on a submarine.

im sure this will all come back around once hal gets his setup completed and starts to race folks running the 426 and a centri.

 

Like I said I don't want this thread to become a debate..we can start a new one for that lol!
Any S/C system made for these cars will be able to produce more power than the stock motor can handle if you want it too. Neither is better than the other, either roots or centri can get you to where you want to be HP wise. The reason I mentioned the NMRA/NMCA racers using centri's was because I was trying to not Dyno Race lol. Trust me if those guys thought they could get more usable power from the many roots offerings available to them they would do it in heartbeat! Money is not really an object when they have Hundreds of thousands of dollars wrapped up in RVs, Haulers, and Race Cars, and they are racing to win. They want to get down teh track faster than the next guy. I was making the point because invariably there is always the debate as to how Roots are faster/make more power etc than a Centri, and in my experience it can go either way, depending on the build, tune and setup of a car.
To keep it simple...
Roots-more Low end, instant boost
Centri-more top end, boost builds w/ RPMs
It is a personal choice and what you want from your car.
Looks like we may be forced to build another Centri powered car to prove all the roots guys wrong like w/ did w the Mustangs lol!

 

haha, ok dude. sounds good.

 

So this will max out at how many pounds? and will we have the same intercooler?

 

I-Charger

The I-Charger has constant positive pressure on the manifold side (no lag), is virtually maintenance free, and is a VERY straightforward install, and the air temp is almost ambient at 6-8 lbs of boost, even without the intercooler.

And yes, you can go centrifugal for a bit less money. Both are fast. GS Motorsports came out with the Centrifugal SC kit for the LX's first, was first in the 11's (Jan '06), has SC'd more LX's and Jeeps than all others, has direct port injection (with tuning) for the LX's and Jeeps now, and offers both Centrifugal SC Kits and I-Chargers for the LX's and Jeeps. We also have an AWD Dyno in house, and can tune any SC'd LX or Jeep, regardless of whos SC kit, or which mods the car has.

 

I thought this was a BMC Performance Vortech thread???

 

questions were brought up on the differences between centri and roots, cost, etc. figured it makes more sense to address the issue than start up another thread about it...although that would prob be a good idea.

 

What kind of warranty does the I-Charger have?

 

Please keep this on topic for the Vortech kit questions and discussions only. Not to be jerky, but this is our sponsor forum, so please respect that.

Thanks,
Lisa.

 

If you knew me Lisa you would know that that's EXACTLY what I trying to do...and give you a plug for the Vortech's warranty! LOL

 

+1

Lisa, I may have overlooked something, but what does the warranty with the Vortech entail? The operation of the blower? Any POSSIBLE damage to the engine? I'd like to know more...

I want to SC my car and this Vortech is more reasonable in price for my pocket book.

 

LISA,

MOMO has a better chance of growing hair again then actually buying a SC! :whistle:

I do agree with the stay on the Vortech comment. fftopic: I'm interested in finding out more about the warranty, install, pics and so forth. Hasn't Vortech built SC for several years and for several different vehicle's?

I noticed a percentage was posted, but do you have actual numbers to post?

 

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